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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    John, that image is VERY DISTURBING in that this dude looks just like CHRISTIANS depict JESUS to look like, though we all know Jesus was really a dark skinned man (disclaimer.... funny ha)

    Are you sure this guy has all his marbles in one bag?
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Well I can't comment as to his personal style, but the word christain doeas mean "Christ like", so maybe he is just taking that very literally...


    This is his new website on wich you can download his new sond "cry":

    http://www.headtochrist.com/

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Quote Originally Posted by Axle
    Actually if you read the story, there was more than just Noah and his wife onboard. There was his sons, and their wives and children, and their wives and children. Yes there was proably inbreading which could explain how frail our bodies are today.
    Actually, I think that's probably more due to too much McDonald's, couch surfing, processed food, stress, pollution, etc. IMHO!


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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Christian means 'Christ Follower', not 'Christ Like'. That is our goal to be more Christ Like, and to try and follow his example. However we cannot be Christ Like or follow his example because we aren't perfect like he is.
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    Re: Hmmmmmmmmm

    Sorry Paul, but I'm with Ray on this one:
    "NOBODY has the absolute truth......"

    That sounds like a statement of absolute truth to me

    But HEY! I'm on your side buddy! I'm not claiming to agree with everything you say or become your best friend or anything but I generally like your attitude toward religious things and I agree with MOST of what you say, and I love the fact that you have the cajones to say it! ;)

    Oh and I knew Stryper was a joke, I thought it was funny

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    What I want to know...

    Why has this thread gone on for so long?
    What is the photo content?!?!
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Okay, Ricky the nonChristian is going to try to get this straight:

    God says it's okay to inbreed as long as it's done before Moses and as long as the entire human race depends on it. See: Adam & Eve; Noah and his family.

    AFTER the gene pool has expanded to large numbers and/or Moses comes down from the mountain are we not allowed to sleep with our immediate family anymore

    Is this right?

    What about eating meat on Fridays? Is that still a sin?

    Oh, and dancing?

    Sorry, I have lots of questions.

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    I have been reading this thread and have just two simple comments to make and then I'll leave.
    Aw, don't do that, Michael. It's just starting to get fun.

    To those who are thankful that religion and faith exist, take a look at history. More violence and terror has been committed "in the name of God" than by any other force on Earth. It continues unabated today. With faith, logic is almost always excluded.With God on your side, any atrocity can be rationalized.
    Religion, like politics, is a double-edged sword. If wicked men are in charge of either one, people unjustly suffer; but when righteous men reign, people's lives are blessed by their goodness and wisdom. The one's you are speaking of all fall into the former category, yet there are still plenty who fall among the latter.

    The Christian religion, as it is genuinely practiced, has proven more than true and beneficial not just for my life but for countless others who have come to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior. Through it's teachings, I and many others have become a "new man" in Christ. However, those who don't follow the teachings of Christ and yet profess him with their lips, do not deserve to be called Christians but imposters.

    By the way, Almo gave a pretty good description of what baptism means to the Christian. Bet you can't guess who this is being baptized way back in 1988.
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Quote Originally Posted by walterick
    Okay, Ricky the non-Christian is going to try to get this straight:

    God says it's okay to inbreed as long as it's done before Moses and as long as the entire human race depends on it. See: Adam & Eve; Noah and his family.

    AFTER the gene pool has expanded to large numbers and/or Moses comes down from the mountain are we not allowed to sleep with our immediate family anymore

    Is this right?
    Partially correct. I refreshed my memory of Scripture and found in Leviticus 18 the reason for prohibiting close relations between kin. Apparently, it was to distinguish Israel from the rest of the nations, such as Egypt and Canaan, who did practice not only close relations but also immoral relations (such as being intimate with one's mother, or daughter-in-law, or granddaughter). Indeed, the whole law was given to the Hebrews, in part, to sanctify them (i.e. set them apart) as worshipers of Yahweh in contradistinction to the worshipers of the false and pagan gods of the other nations. The teachings of Christ are designed to do the exact same thing–to distinguish us as a people holy (seperate and different from the world) unto our God, and to his Son, Jesus Christ.

    What about eating meat on Fridays? Is that still a sin?
    No. Sin is the transgression of God's law (1 Jn. 3:4); eating meat on Friday, however, for a Catholic, is simply to break with Catholic tradition.

    Oh, and dancing?
    No prohibition in Scripture found for dancing. In fact, king David danced before the Lord. I think, though, that anyone who has gained any wisdom from the Bible knows the difference between dancing for joy, or dancing for enjoyment, and participating in the sensual, carnal type of dancing that the world is accustomed to doing.

    Sorry, I have lots of questions.
    That's great. I love questions!

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Ray, I also find that a lot of the old Mosaic law has quite practical considerations behind it. For instance, the prohibition of touching a dead man, or eating pork, or the special washing prescribed for the priests. Just those laws show that God wanted his people to not get any nasty infections from dead animals, or from undercooking pork (after all, bacon is best when its crispy ). And actually I found out that the washing prescribed for the priests is just as effective at cleaning as the washing routine doctors go through before surgery. Now that is foresight. As for intermarriage, limiting the gene pool can eventually lead to insanity, and predispositions for genetic diseases (Down's syndrome, hemophelia, etc). It wasn't just to sanctify God's people that he made those laws, it was also to keep them healthy. Not just what God said to do, but very practical. Absolutes if you will . Just an aside in the discussion.

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Drew,

    Yes, those are good observations! And precisely why I said the law was given "in part" to distinguish Israel from the other nations. Another reason why the law was given, and this was taught by the apostle Paul when he wrote to the Galatians, is that the law was also meant act as a "schoolmaster" to point out sin, i.e. our "missing the mark" fo God's righteous standard. By the law God pointed out sin, the condemnation that belongs to sin, and the remedy for sin (which is sacrifice for atonement), God is able to direct the sinner to repent of his sin and turn in faith to Christ for mercy and forgiveness and amendment of life, which is in essence the Gospel (good news) message of salvation.

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Yes, yes! And that's why God sent his son to act as the ultimate atonment sacrifice to resolve us of our sin once and forever!
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    We are getting a puppy.
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    "We are getting a puppy."

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    But I still want to know why this thread has gone on so long?
    Where's the photo content pelople!?!?
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Quote Originally Posted by mtbbrian
    But I still want to know why this thread has gone on so long?
    Where's the photo content pelople!?!?
    Brian
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    MAKE SURE you take it swimming ;)
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    What about eating meat on Fridays? Is that still a sin?
    That rule was for Catholics. It was introduced by the Pope to help the fishermen in France by eliminating meat one day a week. It had nothing to do with scripture, purely political.
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    That rule was for Catholics. It was introduced by the Pope to help the fishermen in France by eliminating meat one day a week. It had nothing to do with scripture, purely political.
    I have to take back my previous statement that to eat meat on Fridays is to break Catholic tradition. In actuality, it is to violate the Catholic code of Canon Law, to which Catholics are bound to observe and of which states thus:

    Canon 1250* All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the entire Church.

    Canon 1251* Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless (nisi) they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Canon 1252* All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; all adults are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year. Nevertheless, pastors and parents are to see to it that minors who are not bound by the law of fast and abstinence are educated in an authentic sense of penance.


    Contrast this to the the apostle Paul's teaching:

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that, in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and to abstain from foods, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by them who believe and know the truth. (1 Timothy 4:1-3)

    So you are correct in saying that abstaining from meat on Friday had nothing to do with Scripture.

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Ah, human religion. It has some good sides, and bad sides. Just like us.
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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    So, if I'm heaing you correcty,

    Christianity says:

    We're all inbred

    Jesus wanted his followers to be "separate and different" from the rest of the world

    It's still okay to eat a burger on Fridays


    Well, you're all wrong! Ha!

    Pretty sure all of humanity didn't come from 2 people.

    Jesus taught us to see ourselves as one with each other, one with him, one with God, one in life. If he was who it's said he was he would never preach separatism. To do so would contradict his goals (and life)


    Okay, I guess eating meat on Fridays isn't wrong. It's those crazy Mondays you gotta watch out for.

    I suppose next you're going to tell me it's a sin to have sex before marriage? Sheesh! What's this world coming to?!



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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    Quote Originally Posted by walterick
    So, if I'm heaing you correcty,

    Christianity says: We're all inbred.
    No. To be "inbred" means that your immediate parents are of a close relation. We are far removed from Adam and Eve, and the ancient civilizations that practiced inbreeding, and so it is not really accurate to say we are inbred.


    Jesus wanted his followers to be "separate and different" from the rest of the world
    Yes, in their deeds and behavior.


    It's still okay to eat a burger on Fridays[/COLOR]
    Yep.


    Pretty sure all of humanity didn't come from 2 people.


    Tell that to Mitochondrial Eve, or rather, her supporters. The Bible similarly states, by the way, that Eve was the "mother of all living". Interestingly enough, scientists in favor of the "Out of Africa" theory propose to trace the origin of modern humans via the maternal line.


    Jesus taught us to see ourselves as one with each other, one with him, one with God, one in life. If he was who it's said he was he would never preach separatism. To do so would contradict his goals (and life)
    Correction. Jesus taught his followers, not "us" (as in all humanity), that they were one in him and one in God. The thing that unites them together is their faith in Christ, and the goal of Christ is to redeem men from sin. Therefore, Jesus was quite comfortable in teaching his disciples to be separate (again, in deed and behavior) from sin and the world in order to manifest his saving power.


    I suppose next you're going to tell me it's a sin to have sex before marriage?
    Yep. But let's call it what it is--fornication. Euphemisms are for wimps.


    Sheesh! What's this world coming to?!
    According to the Bible? Judgment.

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    MY OPINION, which matters for nothing, I suppose, but formulated from other boards I've visited:

    1) There is no requirement that all posts in Viewfinder contain photo content. Please don't make it so or this will just become another Critique, which can get boring after awhile. I've learned things about my fellow posters that I think are wonderful, deep things, making me view them as much richer human beings.

    2) A "living room" where we share "philosophies" is, in my vision, just like a real living room at a family reunion. We're a big family, getting to know each other. Some people enjoy discussing religion and politics. The "etiquette" rule about avoiding such subjects is only in "polite" company, which is much more formal than our gathering here. There's no law against discussing it among friends in a casual setting.

    3) Some people are, understandably, uncomfortable with such a topic. Well, if that's you, and the thread title is clearly marked as containing religious or political content, then simply DON'T OPEN THE THREAD!

    4) I mean, really, I could open a thread about someone's kids and state that I hate discussions about people's kids, and the only one out of place in that situation would be me. If I don't like it, I leave.

    5) If the discussion gets nasty, with personal attacks flying (NOT simply personal opinions!), then someone can report their offense, and the proper authority can step in and put a stop to it.

    6) If every other thread in Viewfinder becomes a religious or political (or otherwise controversial) thread, then I can understand the moderators' concern about the general impression that visitors will get from the site. At that point, a decision can be made about whether to set up another forum strictly for controversial threads, or if an appeal can be made to please cut back on them or restrain them to one or two threads.

    7) But I think visitors know what to expect from a "general" forum, and I think they actually WANT such an outlet. I actually visit a different site much more often than this one for the very reason that I can post off-topic threads on their general forum, and I've made some very close friends in the process. I can't say that about here, because sometimes I come here and look for something interesting and can't find anything, because it's all about other people's individual and personal life that I have to comment on, and nobody's asking me about mine. Does that make sense? There's only so much "Great exposure, but I'd like to see it cropped a bit differently" I can say before I get bored. I want to KNOW the people here! And I want to BE known!


    Oh, and may I add that I'm a total peace lover, diplomat, and avoider of conflict. But I see allowing these types of discussions as a way to understand each other. Because there is nobody forcing anybody else to listen. It's just a free exchange of ideas.

    Thank you. We now return you to the original programming.

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    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!

    "ex-Korn guitarist finds God!"


    Why, was God lost?


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    "so it is not really accurate to say we are inbred."

    Then all of humanity was derived through several generations of inbreeding.

    Twice.

    And I still don't think Jesus wanted us to see ourselves as separate from each other. Every major spiritual/philosophical/religious system in the world preaches unity, harmony, togetherness, oneness. Jesus was no different. To raise yourself above others is to appear "holier than thou" and that is one thing that not a single human being can stand. It is natural - ie, built into our nature by god - to destroy that which is holier, higher, bigger than us. Why? Because being "holier" is a lie. Each and every one of us is holy, sacred, and sanctified in the eyes of god. There is no "better" way of living. God loves each of us no matter what choices we make in life (no matter how destructive those choices have become) and part of that love is not to judge us or interfere with our free will! If you sit your children down to play a game, do you tell them they can play it whichever way they please (free will) and then give them 10 Commandments to tell them to behave a certain way? No, of course not. That would be lunacy.

    The end is guarateed. We all return home, to the Source, God, Oneness, whatever. The universe will fold in upon itself in a few millenia and life will go to sleep. It is inevitable. What matters is how you play the game while you're here. Were you playing the Life game well? Poorly? In the end it doesn't matter. We're all going home. It's a matter of are you happy with your choices?!

    There's my religious diatribe for the day.

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