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    Re: Questions about art:

    I've been going back and reading several of the postings in this forum (Photography As Art) and one thread (partially inspired by Megan) that keeps recurring is the language used to discuss the topic.

    Some writers want a quick (or so it seems) definition of "What is Art", some want to know how to discuss, critique, or just talk about art, and some want everything to be evaluated as potentially worthy of the moniker.

    There's a long history of discussion of all of these topics and I like to refer to it (I think I posted something somewhere on this?) as a Conversation. That's not a particularly original
    phrase but it leads to where I hope I'm going with this. This particular thread has evolved to include the emotive v cereberal (how about 'intellectual' to make it REALLY high-brow- join in virtual laughter here. . .) discussion. While I have a moment or two, I'd offer a couple of thoughts on that part of this Conversation.

    When we write about Photography as Art we are entering into the old conversation started a long time ago. We have to respect but also can use what those before have already done or written. So we quote them or point out certain pieces of art or imagery and say "There, thats what I mean". Then the burden of proof usually falls the other way for someone else to respond and add to the discussion or say What The? (insert active verb or expression of choice here) . The comments from various people about Kinkade have already generated a consensus on one topic. That's an example of the Conversation.

    This can be also be illustrated on the emotive level by discussion regarding pornography and narrowly or not offensive or obscene content, that for many the kind of mater generates a very strong emotional reaction, for many disgust. That is a valid response. Some wouldn't agree. The flip side to this for many are something calming and soothing and even perhaps inspirational like sunsets and sunrises. They will generate this warm fuzzy connected feeling that for many is almost like a hug. If you have vacationed in the Tropics (or as I have been lucky enough to live there for anytime) at Sunset some people wander out from homes businesses hotels and take a minute and watch the Sunset. The imagery of such will often produce the same response.

    The cerebral (we are beret wearing intellectuals sipping espresso and chomping biscotti) part of this is taking an inventory of the good and bad points of a work. The scoring that Mike(darkman) refers to is an intellectual and objective critique. If you are going to work in Commercial Design and have to interface with a team to bring something to the market it can be extraordinarily important. If the Pantone selections must be perfect, the clarity and detail of a product must be exact, and no shadows or blown highlights are allowed then that's one thing. But as an element in art, by itself, it probably means little. Sometime the artist breaks specfic "rules" for a very good reason, emotive or cerebral.

    The phone's ringing again, I'll finish and lauch off on another element I see in all this later.

    - C

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    Re: Questions about art:

    Dear Rick and Others,

    Good grief! I go away for two weeks and this happens! Even with such a loaded and cumbersome (no disrespect, on the contrary, admiration) topic, you managed to get people's thought processes going.

    Rick, I do not think it would be productive to start a discussion about Thomas Kinkade, especially with me. I loathe the man's paintings, and you would probably only get polemic on my part ! However, I shall attempt to elaborate a little. Whenever I view Kinkade's art, I always get the impression that his paintings are emotionally and spiritually limp. His paintings are like carnival masks, the feeling is only as deep as the mask itself. It lacks spirit and vitality. The paintings are warm and fuzzy, but lack substance. HIs work is a thousand miles wide (all embracing) but is only an inch deep. There is no interest in leting the veiwer explore the painting themselves, Kinkade wishes to make his viewers have a certain emotional response, not interact with the painting.

    Here I come to shaky ground that shall probably be soon shot out from under me . The artist must allow the viewer to explore the painting (or what ever art form it is, photograph even) on their own, and draw their own conclusions. Otherwise the artist is manipulating his/her audience to a certain end. This then is not art, it is prpoganda. Alright, fire away! I probably just violated some people's views of art and artists, and I apologize. I call it how I see it. Perhaps we could get a Conversation going and hammer this out better. Thanks for letting me pontificate a while.

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    Re: Questions about art:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dzerzhinski46
    This then is not art, it is prpoganda. Alright, fire away! I probably just violated some people's views of art and artists, and I apologize. I call it how I see it. Perhaps we could get a Conversation going and hammer this out better. Thanks for letting me pontificate a while.
    Not at all offended! I think the posts have been very well-stated and interesting.

    It's interesting what you said about Kinkade - miles wide but only an inch deep. It's something I've been thinking about with my work lately. I'm sort of in a panic, to the point where I'm almost afraid to even start to work. I've just been questioning whether or not I'm just creating fluff, or is it really deeper than that. And I've also been thinking of going back and getting my master's.... to sort of get beyond that. I feel like I'm ready. But that will take $$.

    Anyway, I'm going on a tangent! I hope to keep this Conversation going - This thread is a good one.

    Megan

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    Re: Questions about art:

    Dear megan and others,

    I also am enjoying the way this conversation is going. Very constructive and edifying, to me at least . By way of continuing the Converstion, I just posted an article on my blog (The Window of My Lens). It deals with what a photograph says to the observer (if it says anything at all), and by exstension, what any piece of artwork says. I hope the article stimulates some discussion and thought.

    http://rosemarinuswine.blogspot.com/

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    Interesting thoughts on snapshots. Snapshots seem like and artless, frantic attempt to record a moment, sans artistry, to preserve for future reminsciing. 01 or so years ago, I would troll the local flea market in Park Slope, Brooklyn, where there was a combination of the typical flea market fare plus odd local scavengers selling used and trash-picked oddities. One always had a box of old photos, and I would rummage through it and buy a few once in awhile. I have a collection of all these old photos, discarded snapshots, moments on the beach, smiling and posing in front of a house, etc etc, taht are completely abstracted from their memories, and useless. I took odd pleasure in storing these snapshots - artless and old, but a collection of cast offs nonetheless. Someday I will do something with them.

    And yes, I went on a tangent!

    Thanks for sharing your blog.

    Megan

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