You know what, I just don't have the patience for this discussion, I feel probably something like Neitzche felt as he watched a horse get brutally beaten. Sorry for getting in the mud guys, I'm done with this thread.
For the record, the self-proclaimed holy trinity Heluvs, soldier, and Javier have been throwing out personal attacks since page 1 of this thread. They can mask it as theology all they want.



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