Aliens - and I don't mean border crossers

[mwfanelli2]

[COLOR="Blue"]The Key word here in this statement is create. This brings up a very good point... The bible starts out by making a very bold statement...

As we stated over and over again in the "other" thread, you are using a written document that you have chosen to believe is somehow holy. The only people you can use this stuff as evidence on are other believers. To those of us who don't see the bible as anything special, it's just nonsense and doesn't prove anything.

[Loupey]

You know, that it is plausible that the early Earth was "contaminated" by debris falling from comets and meteorites. Aliens don't have to be big, nasty, green, or gut-popping.

It is just possible that all subsequent life on Earth are "extraterrestrials".


How cool is that!


Edit: I guess I spilled the beans by implying that I believe in evolution

[mwfanelli2]

You know, that it is plausible that the early Earth was "contaminated" by debris falling from comets and meteorites. Aliens don't have to be big, nasty, green, or gut-popping.

There is growing thought that water on Earth was brought here by collisions early in Earth's life. I find that interesting because, as you say, that could also mean we are nothing more than contaminants!

FWIW, Green Bank (NRAO) has been studying organic molecules, large ones, in nebulas of the Milky Way. When first discovered, it was a huge surprise. Now, even more complex structures are being found.

Edit: I guess I spilled the beans by implying that I believe in evolution

Thanks to genome molecular biology and biochemistry, evidence for evolution continues to pile up very quickly. Supernatural explanations are getting more and more frantic. It's sort of the same thing as when supporters of the geocentric theories of the churches long ago were dragged kicking and screaming to a heliocentric point of view and then, gasp, finding out that the orbits of the planets are ellipses instead of perfect circles! With what we know today, those people would be catatonic.

[mwfanelli2]

And why would alien life forms from wherever have human shapes?

We know they all look pretty much the same as us: Star Trek proved that. They couldn't say it on TV if is weren't true!

[jgredline]

Thanks to genome molecular biology and biochemistry, evidence for evolution continues to pile up very quickly. Supernatural explanations are getting more and more frantic. It's sort of the same thing as when supporters of the geocentric theories of the churches long ago were dragged kicking and screaming to a heliocentric point of view and then, gasp, finding out that the orbits of the planets are ellipses instead of perfect circles! With what we know today, those people would be catatonic.

But how does evolution explain ''matter''..Where did it come from? Who or what created it?

[mwfanelli2]

But how does evolution explain ''matter''..Where did it come from? Who or what created it?

That is the difference between science and other fields such as religion and philosophy.

Science describes HOW things work. I can give detailed accounts of inertia and how it interacts with everything else. Asking WHY mass has inertia is not a scientific question: there is no way to apply the scientific method to it. For that question, you need philosophy and religion or some different supernatural explanations. Once again, neither philosophy nor the supernatural have ever answered a single logical question. You have to choose to believe without logical proof whatever they tell you.

But the "hows" have this nasty tendency of expanding their range, pushing out the supernatural stuff that was holding their place. People used to believe all sorts of crazy things about how objects in the sky moved. It took Newton and Einstein to apply gravity. Galileo was heavily persecuted by the church because he kept changing the "mysterious" wonders of religion into explainable hows. The same with how the sun works, how stars are formed and die, tracing DNA backwards using male offspring, etc. "Wonders of God" become "Hows" as time marches on (although there really is no absolute time!).

But fear not! There will be many more unknowns than knowns throughout your life and the lives of many more generations. You can apply whatever supernatural explanations you want! But as time goes on, people and aliens in the future will look back at our civilization and see Christianity, and all of our other religions, as quaint and silly just as we look back at the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans.

No matter what you do, change occurs, progress is continuous, and digging one;'s heals in only slows things a little bit. Just wait until those aliens land and say "Howdy!" You say it will never happen but never is a very long time. I have a secret faith (!) that it will happen. I would love to see the frantic scrambling that goes on when the devout religious types can no longer exhibit the towering piles of hubris, that humans are the be all and end all of life, at the center of it all!