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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    LOL! OK, lets do the math. Macs own less than 3% of the US market, less than 2% of the worldwide market. That means, with equal depreciation, there should be 97 windows machines for, at most, every 3 Macs. Did you really expect to find lots of used Macs at yard sales and trash heaps?

    Well no I never did expect to find lots of Macs, as I have always known the market was smaller. But lets be realistic. There are still a whole bunch of them out there. Old and new. And lets even go by your numbers. I have recoved over 300 windows machines, yet I have recovered just 1 Mac. Face it, Macs are not throw away computers. Windows machines are. Don't get me wrong though. I can see the genius behind that. I'm not blind, nor do I ignore the truth. I know why Bill Gates is the richest man in the galaxy, but in the end if you want to be an honest person then you have to admit that Mac OS X and Apple/Mac hardware is superior. So what if it isn't the most popular? Damn that just makes it better! I run my Mac with a simple firewall, and I do so with confidence. I have to spend much more time working on my Windows machines, and still I have to worry about them when I am done.

    God I hope Apple never catches on like Windows... ;)
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by almo
    Well no I never did expect to find lots of Macs, as I have always known the market was smaller. But lets be realistic. There are still a whole bunch of them out there. Old and new. And lets even go by your numbers. I have recoved over 300 windows machines, yet I have recovered just 1 Mac.
    We recover much more than that. There are many more Macs in the hands of corporations than in users who run yard sales.

    Face it, Macs are not throw away computers. Windows machines are.
    Nonsese. The vast majority of people use intel machines. There are vastly larger numbers who have a need for change just for the sake of change. Just look at the silly turn-around of digital cameras. Bill Gates sells software, not hardware. My desktop has now gone past its 5 year birthday, my 3 year laptop was replaced recently because I physically dropped it one too many times (Bill Gate's fault?). Everything still works very well, just as it did when I first bought it. Bill Gates doesn't have anything to do with it.

    I know why Bill Gates is the richest man in the galaxy
    He saw a need and filled it. That's called capitalism. Good capitalists are always hated. "I'm smarter than Bill Gates, why don't I have all the money" is the cry of many.

    ...but in the end if you want to be an honest person then you have to admit that Mac OS X and Apple/Mac hardware is superior.
    LOL! If the hardware is so much better, why is Apple moving to Intel hardware to catch up?

    Macophiles can't fool me, I spent a year and a half working at a Mac shop. I never used Macs before and was initially excited by all the hype. What a major disappointment! Constant hardware problems, laptops that LITERALLY caught on fire, the constant limits on what couldn't be done, hard reboots more times a day than I could count. The Graphic Arts department actually believed that all computers needed constant rebooting!. This major Apple customer eventually switched to Windows with almost no complaints. In fact, some users were fighting to be switched first. There is nothing superior about the hardware or the software since the 1980s.

    So what if it isn't the most popular? Damn that just makes it better! I run my Mac with a simple firewall, and I do so with confidence. I have to spend much more time working on my Windows machines, and still I have to worry about them when I am done.
    I'm happy that you are satisfied with your Macs. In the ideal world, everyone would use a computer they truly like. However, I run my Windows machines the same way. My simple firewall, free Zone Alarm, does an excellent job. The free AVG anitivirus works silently in the background never actually finding anything. Spyware hasn't been a problem for well over a year, even then, it was questionable. I run it because I can be paranoid sometimes. See, the publicity gets to me too!

    Because there are so many Windows users and so many more attacks, everything bad that happens with Windows gets blown out of proportion. Its very fashionable to see Bill Gates as the Evil Mastermind and Destroyer of the Universe. But, if you read the constant complaints on other photo web sites, you would believe that every Canon camera is falling apart at users feet! Number one is always a target, right or wrong.

    God I hope Apple never catches on like Windows... ;)
    Good thing to hope for. If Macs ever did become popular, the Mac universe would start falling apart under the weight of all the attacks. They aren't used to being number one and dealing with probems of magnitude.
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    OS X is a fundamantally better designed, more stable and more secure OS. There is one security issue known about it and it's a minor one. Windows have a whole lot of them, some being major.

    Now, its quite obvious that Windows is more attacked than OS X. It's a much more interesting target than OS X since it's much more wide spread. Not so many hackers are familiar with OS X (or care about it) but it is also a more difficult OS to hack.

    About, Apple switching to Intel, IBM once offered a superior architecture with the PowerPC but they can't keep the pace with the competition nowaday (well they kind of do with the recent introduction of dual core G5's in the PowerMacs but G5's will always run too hot to be used in laptop...). The Apple experience has always been much more than the sum of its parts, in that sense, a switch of processors isn't "such" an issue. They took a business desicion to stay competitive and keep an edge.

    Note to Michael: I can't argue with your horrors stories with Macs, they happened to you, which is sad. That being said, working constantly with both PC's and Mac's (actually, I spend more time on PC's due to my day job), and having personally owned machines on both platforms I can only say that my Mac's always were exceptionally stable and efficient machines.
    Mac can have problems, I have heard various stories from various sources (although I never personally experienced any issue) but that doesn't change the fact that generally speaking, they deliver the goods big time, in a fairly more enjoyable way than PC's as far as I am concerned.

    One very last thing, Apple is quite a big company. Obviously, they own a small marketshare but they are the only one in their field. Apple is a bigger company than a good number of PC's maker. They can (and do) face problems when they happens. They couldn't possibly survive (and grow in importance as they did) otherwise.

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    Aren' they pretty much the same machines runnining different software?
    I have one freind that has a couple of 10 year old windows machines that have been upgraded. They are slow but work just fine. Of course he upgrades them himself, which isn't hard and saves bunches of money.
    I also have another freind that had an old Apple. She spent $700 to have some Jackass upgrade it.I think the upgrade was from 16 MB to 32 and not much else, and that was all he could do. To say that it still sucked would be giving it to much credit. It worked fine, but it was no faster than before.For that much money she could have gotten a nice new PC.
    Personally my system is now 4.5 years old, It has a huge tower and should be upgradeable for a long time. All that I have done as far as upgrades are concerned is add ram.
    As far as repair, the cd player burner never worked right even though it was replaced under warranty and I have replaced the hard drive, that was $125 installed at Best Buy. Not a verygood track record, but certainly not a disposable item.
    Speaking of disposeability, A lot of folks who know nothing about computers buy them, and don't think they should have to spend a dime to keep them running,or cant afford to have them fixed eventually just toss them, even though it is most likley a minor problem. These people aint buying Apples.
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Seb
    One very last thing, Apple is quite a big company. Obviously, they own a small marketshare but they are the only one in their field. Apple is a bigger company than a good number of PC's maker. They can (and do) face problems when they happens. They couldn't possibly survive (and grow in importance as they did) otherwise.
    Apple is actually a relatively small company. They are dwarfed by Dell, HP, Gateway, Fujitsu, IBM, Lenovo, NEC, and even Acer in hardware. Software has an even bigger gap. Much of their income these days comes from iPods while their market share in computers has dropped to a low of 2.88% of market share as of January 28, 2005.

    Another problem is that Apple is both a hardware and software company. They rigorously control the hardware that gets used with their OS. Neither Windows nor Linux has that remarkable advantage. Those two are expected to run with everything from Dell preinstalled to a bits-and-pieces scrap marvel built by a teenager in his basement. Yet Apple still gets it wrong, a lot more than once. And Apple doesn't have the entire world trying to find bugs and errors.

    I have no investment in either Microsoft nor Apple so there is no axe to grind. As with most Windows users, I see my computer as a tool to get work done, not a loving member of the family! What percentage of Windows owners give cute names to their hardware? :-) A rare few!

    You are right, Apple and Macs are more than the sum of its parts. Its a lifestyle that is so mixed up with people's personalities. I drive a Subaru because it is reliable transportation, my friend treats his corvette like a pampered child. It's a difference in personality that has nothing to do with the reality of the merchandise. It is also the mindset that kept Apple afloat during the decade of darkness with the truly horrid pre-OSX MacOS.

    People should be free to choose what they like best, what works for them best. This all started with an (unintentional?) smarta** remark towards a careless guy who allowed his computer to be taken over by malware. Some people helped, others used the opportunity to spread silly Mac-isms that had to be quashed. OK... not "had to be" but certainly too tempting for me to ignore!
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    Apple is both a hardware and software company. They rigorously control the hardware that gets used with their OS. Neither Windows nor Linux has that remarkable advantage. Those two are expected to run with everything from Dell preinstalled to a bits-and-pieces scrap marvel built by a teenager in his basement. Yet Apple still gets it wrong, a lot more than once. And Apple doesn't have the entire world trying to find bugs and errors.
    Microsoft collaborate directly with PC's makers. Windows pretty much comes preinstalled on any new machine outhere and a PC is a PC. Granted, there is a wider range of parts that can potentially be used in a PC but I can't justify how a prebuilt PC delivered with Windows should be disadvantaged over a Mac. (Teenagers who built their own machine with spare parts obviously are a totally different issue tough).

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    You are right, Apple and Macs are more than the sum of its parts. Its a lifestyle that is so mixed up with people's personalities. I drive a Subaru because it is reliable transportation, my friend treats his corvette like a pampered child. It's a difference in personality that has nothing to do with the reality of the merchandise.
    Well, what can I say, my Mac is a tool to get the job done as efficiently as it can be. It consistantly delivered superior results for me over the years (and I am not implying that PC's don't get the job done, things are just more straighforward on Mac's). I know quite a couple of guys who built their PC's (partly or totally) by themselves and who go nuts over their equipments just for the sake of it. At that point, these are more amusing behaviors related to people personas than lifestyles related to a brand.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    It is also the mindset that kept Apple afloat during the decade of darkness with the truly horrid pre-OSX MacOS.
    What was so wrong about the OS in the 90's?? Or more specifically how can we compare the Mac OS of the 90's to Windows 95, 98 or Millenium for instance???
    OS X is a huge evolution over the previous Apple OS just like Windows XP is a dramatic move from the older generation of Windows. Then again, I worked (and know people who worked) on Macs in the 90's without any problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    I have no investment in either Microsoft nor Apple so there is no axe to grind. As with most Windows users, I see my computer as a tool to get work done, not a loving member of the family!
    Same here! So lets get back to our respective machines and be happy!!

    regards

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    Re: Me whining about computer

    OSX? Hardly!!!

    The best anti-spyware program on the market is FreeBSD. It beats OSX because...well...its free.

    Warning - FreeBSD requires one to learn Unix commands.
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Seb
    OS X is a huge evolution over the previous Apple OS just like Windows XP is a dramatic move from the older generation of Windows. Then again, I worked (and know people who worked) on Macs in the 90's without any problem.
    XP is a dramatic move from the older generations of Windows? What Microsoft are you following? XP is Windows 2000 with a pretty interface and a ton of extra bloatware.
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    Re: Me whining about computer

    Which version of Windows are you running?

    Here are a few anti-spyware tips. One, get Firefox. While there are no perfect browsers, Firefox has two things going for it over IE. 1) It doesn't have activeX, and 2) its not integrated into the operating system.

    Two, run your computer as a user, not an administrator. With XP-SP2, the run-as command was added to the menu that pops up when you right click. This will enable you to protect your machine from spyware installations while you're surfing the net but enable you to install and/or run software that requires administrator priviledges.
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by masdog
    XP is a dramatic move from the older generations of Windows? What Microsoft are you following? XP is Windows 2000 with a pretty interface and a ton of extra bloatware.
    That's a way to put it but at least the stability was fairly enhanced from one to the other.

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    Re: Me whining about computer

    [QUOTE=Michael Fanelli]For spyware, I use Ad-Aware, Search and Destroy, and Microsoft AntiVirus. All are free. Actually, I'm just paranoid, they all see the same things. I've never been hit with a virus or spyware in all the years I've used Windows.

    I am also smart enough not to do stupid things (most of the time!), such as giving out personal info to any web site that asks, believing that hundreds of people "love" me via email, using Zone Alarm (a free firewall), or frequenting porn sites, a major source of infections, etc..


    Thanks for your help Michael. I have recently downloaded Zone Alarm and it seems to be working well. I have never used a firewall before. Just asking for trouble it seems.
    Earlier I said that Search & Destroy is worthless, But thats not true. I ran it for the first time in sevral days right after running the software I paid for (Noadware) and it found nine additional cookies.
    Thanks again,
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by masdog
    XP is a dramatic move from the older generations of Windows? What Microsoft are you following? XP is Windows 2000 with a pretty interface and a ton of extra bloatware.
    Uh... Windows 2000 was the last of the NT code base. XP was rewritten from the ground up. Bloat is in the eye of the beholder. Your bloat may be my critical features. Would you like to argue bloat between your Mac interface and Linux, or worse, a steadfast UNIX/Linux command-line programmer? I could say that OSX is nothing more than warmed over 1950s-based UNIX with a pretty face and lots more bloat. That would be true but wouldn't be nice... so I won't.
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    Re: Lol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    That would be true but wouldn't be nice... so I won't.
    lol

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    Re: Me whining about computer

    Quote Originally Posted by almo
    That is a very ignorant statement. Obviously you are not experienced with Mac.
    It was a joke! Geez!
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    Re: Me whining about computer

    Quote Originally Posted by almo
    LOL...Windows problems are so funny!


    At least now they are... ;)
    Hey,

    My ipod crashed last week. I had to reinstall the software and reload all of the music. Who makes the software for those things?

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