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    Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    Photographer Joe Rosenthal, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his immortal image of six World War II servicemen raising an American flag over battle-scarred Iwo Jima, died Sunday. He was 94. AP

    Thanks for your great photography over the years.....and the inspiration. Rest in peace, Mr. Rosenthal.

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    Re: Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    Sorry to hear that he was a real photographic icon.

    My dad grew up with one of the guy in the picture that raised the flag. Franklin Sousley was killed in action just a few days after the image was taken. My dad was in USN during WWII. He died in 1979. He and Sousley are buried not more than 50 yards apart. There is a nice memorial at Sousley's grave site that has a bronze replica of of Rosenthal's picture on it and a large rock from Mt Suribachi. Rosenthal himself came to the dedication ceremony several years ago.
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    Re: Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    Sad to hear about. Here is the article I found in my local newspaper that tells a lot about him:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/15323361.htm

    SAN FRANCISCO - Photographer Joe Rosenthal, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his immortal picture of six World War II fighting men raising an American flag over battle-scarred Iwo Jima, died Sunday. He was 94.

    Rosenthal died of natural causes at an assisted living facility in the San Francisco suburb of Novato, said his daughter, Anne Rosenthal.

    "He was a good and honest man, he had real integrity," she said.

    His photo, taken Feb. 23, 1945, for The Associated Press, became the model for the Iwo Jima Memorial near Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia. The memorial, dedicated in 1954 and known officially as the Marine Corps War Memorial, commemorates the Marines who died taking the Pacific island in World War II.

    The photo was listed in 1999 at No. 68 on a New York University survey of 100 examples of the best journalism of the century.

    The photo actually shows the second raising of the flag that day on Mount Suribachi on the Japanese island. The first flag had been deemed too small.

    "What I see behind the photo is what it took to get up to those heights - the kind of devotion to their country that those young men had, and the sacrifices they made," Rosenthal once said. "I take some gratification in being a little part of what the U.S. stands for."

    He liked to call himself "a guy who was up in the big leagues for a cup of coffee at one time."

    The picture was an inspiration for Thomas E. Franklin of The Record of Bergen County, N.J., who took the photo of three firefighters raising a flag amid the ruins of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Franklin said he instantly saw the similarities with the Iwo Jima photo as he looked through his lens. Franklin's photo, distributed worldwide by the AP, was a finalist in 2002 for the Pulitzer Prize in breaking news photography.

    The small island of Iwo Jima was a strategic piece of land 750 miles south of Tokyo, and the United States wanted it to support long-range B-29 bombers and a possible invasion of Japan.

    On Feb. 19, 1945, 30,000 Marines landed on the southeast coast. Mount Suribachi, at 546 feet the highest point on the island, took four days for the troops to scale. In all, more than 6,800 U.S. servicemen died in the five-week battle for the island, and the 21,000-man Japanese defense force was virtually wiped out.

    Ten years after the flag-raising, Rosenthal wrote that he almost didn't go up to the summit when he learned a flag had already been raised. He decided to up anyway, and found servicemen preparing to put up the second, larger flag.

    "Out of the corner of my eye, I had seen the men start the flag up. I swung my camera and shot the scene. That is how the picture was taken, and when you take a picture like that, you don't come away saying you got a great shot. You don't know."

    "Millions of Americans saw this picture five or six days before I did, and when I first heard about it, I had no idea what picture was meant."

    He recalled that days later, when a colleague congratulated him on the picture, he thought he meant another, posed shot he had taken later that day, of Marines waving and cheering at the base of the flag.

    He added that if he had posed the flag-raising picture, as some skeptics have suggested over the years, "I would, of course, have ruined it" by choosing fewer men and making sure their faces could be seen.

    Standing near Rosenthal was Marine Sgt. Bill Genaust, the motion picture cameraman who filmed the same flag-raising. He was killed in combat just days later. A frame of Genaust's film is nearly identical to the Rosenthal photo.

    The AP photo quickly became the subject of posters, war-bond drives and a U.S. postage stamp.

    Anne Rosenthal said her father always felt that the Marines deserved equal credit for the iconic image.

    "He always spoke with great respect for the Marine Corps and the work they did at Iwo Jima," she said.

    Rosenthal left the AP later in 1945 to join the San Francisco Chronicle, where he worked as a photographer for 35 years before retiring.

    "He was short in stature but that was about it. He had a lot of nerve," said John O'Hara, a retired photographer who worked with Rosenthal at the San Francisco Chronicle.

    O'Hara said Rosenthal took special pride in a certificate naming him an honorary Marine and that Rosenthal remained spry and alert well into his ninth decade.

    Rosenthal's famous picture kept him busy for years, and he continued to get requests for prints decades after the shutter clicked. He said he was always flattered by the tumult surrounding the shot, but added, "I'd rather just lie down and listen to a ball game."

    "He was the best photographer," said friend and fellow Pulitzer Prize winning photographer Nick Ut of The Associated Press, who said he spoke with Rosenthal last week. "His picture no one forgets. People know the photo very well."

    Ut's 1972 image of a little girl, naked and screaming in agony as she flees a napalm bomb attack during the Vietnam War, stoked anti-war sentiment. But Rosenthal's iconic photo helped fuel patriotism in the United States.

    "People say to me, yours is so sad. You see his picture and it shows how Americans won the war," Ut said.

    Rosenthal was born in 1911 in Washington, D.C.

    He took up photography as a hobby. As the Depression got under way, Rosenthal moved to San Francisco, living with a brother until he found a job with the Newspaper Enterprise Association in 1930.

    In 1932, Rosenthal joined the old San Francisco News as a combination reporter and photographer.

    "They just told me to take this big box and point the end with the glass toward the subject and press the shutter and `We'll tell you what you did wrong,'" he said.

    After a short time with ACME Newspictures in San Francisco in 1936, Rosenthal became San Francisco bureau chief of The New York Times-Wide World Photos.

    Rosenthal began working for the AP in San Francisco when the news cooperative bought Wide World Photos. After a stint in the Merchant Marine, he returned to the AP and was sent to cover battle areas in 1944.

    His first assignment was in New Guinea, and he also covered the invasion of Guam before making his famous photo on Iwo Jima.

    In addition to his daughter, Rosenthal is survived by his ex-wife Lee Rosenthal, his son Joseph J. Rosenthal Jr., and their families.
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    An iconic image to be sure, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz
    [I]Photographer Joe Rosenthal, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his immortal image of six World War II servicemen raising an American flag over battle-scarred Iwo Jima...
    ...let's not forget the dark side to this story.

    Rosenthal's memorable image was in fact a re-enactment of the first flag raising using a different flag and completely different soldiers.

    And because his photo was so much more powerful than the original and captured such a perfect scene, it was he (and the second group of soldiers) that went on to become well-known and forever associated with the event, not the men who actually first raised the flag.

    What began as a military PR photo snowballed to become historically famous as a symbol of not only the war but of American courage and spirit in general...

    Not to take anything away from Rosenthal's skill and sense of timing (an certainly the bravery of the second group of servicemen), but I feel it was a shame the original men (at least those who survived) and the original photographer spent much of their life bitter at never getting the credit they deserved for their achievment...
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    Re: Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    it wasn't a re-enactment... to get a picture or anything. they deemed the first flag to small and hewas there when they raised the larger flag.
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    Re: Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan8i
    it wasn't a re-enactment... to get a picture or anything. they deemed the first flag to small and hewas there when they raised the larger flag.
    Perhaps. I'll admit I do not have a military perspective or know protocol, so maybe some vets could help me out here, but I think you're missing the point.

    The group of soldiers (and photographer) who had the honor and privilege of truely raising the first American flag after the bloody battle for Iwo Jima were pretty much discarded and forgotten by history simply because their photo did not look as good...
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    Re: Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    Steve and Dylan are right. The second flag raising was in fact a re-enactment of the first. When the first flag raising happened Rosenthal was not ready with his camera as it was kind of a last minute idea. However, when the flag was raised it was deemed too small to truly have any impact so they decided to raise another flag later in the day. The old flag was taken down and a new flag was found but the soldiers who originally hoisted the flag were off fighting. So, new soldiers hoisted the new flag and Rosenthal was ready with his camera and captured the moment. I ran across this last semester when I was writing my final major History paper on the Vietnam War and how veterans were treated when the came home. So both of you were right for themost part, and it was a shame that the real mean never got the credit they deserved.

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    I read the article in the Toronto Star about it this morning. What an amazing career.
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    Re: Joe Rosenthal Photographer RIP

    also the point of the photo wasn't about the men. he had said later that if he could have set it up he would have shown the mens faces and used less people etc. and that would have ruined the photo. its about the concept of the photo, not the people in it. the concept honors the original men who fought to get to the top. imho
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