photojohn, continuation of discussion on MTBR

[another view]

You'll probably be OK with ISO 100 in bright sun. There's something called the "Sunny 16" rule which basically says that if your aperture is f16, then your shutter speed is the inverse of the ISO. All this means is that ISO100, f16 will be 1/125 sec shutter speed in bright sun. If there are clouds you can lose a couple stops (or more) but in bright sun you'll be fine. Since you want 1/500 shutter speed with ISO100, your aperture would be (or at least close) f8.

Here's how I got that - 1/500 lets in two stops less light than 1/125. To compensate for that, I added two stops back to the aperture setting - f16 > f11 > f8. The sunny 16 rule is very handy to get an idea of what your settings might be, but the meter in your camera is more accurate. I use sunny 16 for situations just like this - to decide how to set up the camera, what film to use, etc. Use the camera's meter when you're shooting though.

[Ultra Magnus]

Thanks.. I'm not man enough yet to tackle full manual controls. I've played with it, and man does it take pics fast when it's not trying to auto adjust everything. I'm starting out with some of the semi auto controls, shutter speed priority in this case. I'll still let it set the aperature and focus, but on my camera (don't know anything about other camers) the ISO is set on the menu and I don't think changes, and stays where I set it on the menu. Sorry if I sound like a newby, but I am! Thanks...

[another view]

Sounds like a good plan. ISO is something most people don't usually adjust much, maybe if you need faster shutter speeds you'd adjust it up but most of the time it would be the shutter and/or aperture that you would adjust. Shutter priority automatic would be a good choice for moving subjects, and I usually use aperture priority for general shooting.

[Ultra Magnus]

thanks.. I played with the ISO settings last night and found that it has an automatic ISO setting, which it has been on, and all the pics that were on it were taken at ISO 64. I even speed the shutter speed up to like 1/500 or faster (I played with a lot of settings last night, can't remember exactly) and it still stayed at ISO 64. So, to play around I set it to ISO 800 (the highest I could set it to) and talk about noise. I can see what you were all referring to. It's hard to explain, but it looked like it had a real bad glare to it.

How do you guys record what settings pics were taken at after you download them off of your camera? On our camera, when the pics are still on it, you can press the little display button and it'll show you what all the settings were set to for that picture, but once we put them on the computer, they are lost. It's hard to use that information for future reference after that.

[Sebastian]

thanks.. I played with the ISO settings last night and found that it has an automatic ISO setting, which it has been on, and all the pics that were on it were taken at ISO 64. I even speed the shutter speed up to like 1/500 or faster (I played with a lot of settings last night, can't remember exactly) and it still stayed at ISO 64. So, to play around I set it to ISO 800 (the highest I could set it to) and talk about noise. I can see what you were all referring to. It's hard to explain, but it looked like it had a real bad glare to it.

How do you guys record what settings pics were taken at after you download them off of your camera? On our camera, when the pics are still on it, you can press the little display button and it'll show you what all the settings were set to for that picture, but once we put them on the computer, they are lost. It's hard to use that information for future reference after that.

Any software that browses the images will show you all the setting for that partcular shot. It's always recorded in the file.

[Photo-John]

Keep it at 64, if you can. I used that camera a bit and it definitely looks best at 64. Wirth some cameras the ISO settings are better than others. But with most compacts it's worth the effort to keep the ISO as low as possible. However, if you want to get a shot, and it's a little dark, be aware that you can increase the ISO and also increase your shutter speed. It's a useful tool as long as you're aware that your sacrificing some image quality to get the shot.

[another view]

How do you guys record what settings pics were taken at after you download them off of your camera? On our camera, when the pics are still on it, you can press the little display button and it'll show you what all the settings were set to for that picture, but once we put them on the computer, they are lost. It's hard to use that information for future reference after that.

Just make sure you're downloading the images (whether directly from the camera or a card reader) through the viewer program that came with the camera. Another way that it can be done is to drag and drop to a file, but if you do that you will lose the shooting data.

Best/fastest way is to put the card into a USB2.0 or Firewire card reader and go through the supplied program. Downloading from the camera is just fine but slower.

[Sebastian]

Just make sure you're downloading the images (whether directly from the camera or a card reader) through the viewer program that came with the camera. Another way that it can be done is to drag and drop to a file, but if you do that you will lose the shooting data.

Best/fastest way is to put the card into a USB2.0 or Firewire card reader and go through the supplied program. Downloading from the camera is just fine but slower.

Steve,

I don't think you'll lose the shooting data when dragging the files over. Actually, I know you won't. The data is written into the file header, anything that reads that file's EXIF data will be able to display the shooting info.

[Ultra Magnus]

Is that for all pic fomats or just RAW files? I finished reading the very lengthy review of the f828 on digital photo review website, and the reviewer mentioned that the header contained that information on the raw files. He didn't however mention that it ONLY did that for raw files. I haven't been able to look up any of that information on our computer. I bet our software sucks. We still use the kodak easy share program to organize our pics, although we download them manually through windows.

[Photo-John]

The EXIF standard was created for JPEG files. It should be in all JPEG files, as long as the camera-maker made the camera so that it would save the information. Attached you'll see a screenshot I just made of a shareware JPEG browsing program I use called, Exif. You can see that it's showing me EXIF data for my 828 images.

[photo101]

Now why cant they inbed that information onto 35mm film...would be very helpful.

[Sebastian]

Now why cant they inbed that information onto 35mm film...would be very helpful.

They do. The fancy back for the F5 can be set to burn exposure and copyright info into the blank space between frames.

[photo101]

Which doesnt help me with my n80. hehe oh well

[Ultra Magnus]

I found it. The Kodak software my wife uses to organize her albums displays that infromation. thanks! For a while, I'd take a bunch of the same image with differnt setting, see what I did and all, then load them on to the comptuer and be lost as to which pic was shot with which setting.