fred, thankyou for your opinion. I like your tips on the second photo a lot and wish that i could go back to the scene and do it over again. i will remember that kind of thing in the future. for the first photo, i just noticed that i put more focus on the fence, my mistake. as far as the cropping goes, something like this maybe?



or this?



maybe neither. anyway, i appreciate your opinion and advice. My knowledge is already growing and its my second day here. Now i know this is a great community to be a part of.