What is a Christian?

[jetrim]

Again, all your responses are based on the fact that you believe there is one god, and the bible is his word.

If you do not believe that, then your arguements hold no more water than the guy down the street who claims he was abducted and probed by aliens.

Matter of fact, the 19 Arabians who skyjacked 4 airplanes 7 years ago believed in their hearts that they were doing "GOD'S WORK" every bit as much as the bible quoters in this thread do right now. (This does not mean I am drawing any asssociations between the two groups other than the fact that they both have very strong conviction that their choice is the right choice, and everyone else who doesn't see it the same way is damned.)

[Solo]

Matter of fact, the 19 Arabians who skyjacked 4 airplanes 7 years ago believed in their hearts that they were doing "GOD'S WORK" every bit as much as the bible quoters in this thread do right now. (This does not mean I am drawing any asssociations between the two groups other than the fact that they both have very strong conviction that their choice is the right choice, and everyone else who doesn't see it the same way is damned.)

The simple fact of intent and actions should manifest whether those of the muslim faction are doing "GOD'S WORK" or not. No where did Jesus Christ teach anything other than love your enemies, nor are his followers (Christians) to do otherwise. To make the association between muslim murderers and Christians citing God's Word in reference to there position in a forum thread entitled "What is a Christian?" is paramont accusatory and ignorant. Perhaps the intent of your post is not so, but it lacks wisdom and understanding in comparing the two positions as being synonymous.

[jetrim]

The simple fact of intent and actions should manifest whether those of the muslim faction are doing "GOD'S WORK" or not. No where did Jesus Christ teach anything other than love your enemies, nor are his followers (Christians) to do otherwise. To make the association between muslim murderers and Christians citing God's Word in reference to there position in a forum thread entitled "What is a Christian?" is paramont accusatory and ignorant. Perhaps the intent of your post is not so, but it lacks wisdom and understanding in comparing the two positions as being synonymous.

You missed the point entirely. It boils down to this, other MEN have told you a story, you chose to believe it with all your heart above and beyond all else (keeping in mind that the new testiment so often quoted as the specific guidline for salvation wasn't even commenced until some 70 odd years after the crucifiction of Jesus, in a language you probably don't understand.)

These muslim murderers chose to believe a totally different story with all their hearts, and they think your story is pure rubbish, just the same as you think the Koran is. There is the distinct possibility that both books are pure rubbish.

Just because you are absolutely sure you are right, doesn't mean you actually ARE right.

If's it's accusitory, so be it, but there is a reason it's called faith. You can share your beliefs (anyone, not just you personally) but you can't definatively proclaim that there is only one road to heaven, because you you don't KNOW it to be true, you only believe it because someone else convinced you to believe it. Others have not been convinced and may well never be convinced.

[Solo]

You missed the point entirely. It boils down to this, other MEN have told you a story, you chose to believe it with all your heart above and beyond all else (keeping in mind that the new testiment so often quoted as the specific guidline for salvation wasn't even commenced until some 70 odd years after the crucifiction of Jesus, in a language you probably don't understand.)

First of all, I didn't miss the point at all. You were associating those that stand upon the Word of God and His love with those who stand upon the Words of a man and his hate.

Secondly, I had men tell me the gospel of Jesus Christ for twenty-eight years to no avail. I did not believe them one single time. Until the Spirit of God revealed His Word to me, and impressed upon me that I may never get another opportunity to believe before I would pass from this life and be judged, I did not believe. I humbled myself at that moment, got honest with myself and before God Almighty, and believed.

Finally, the Word of God and the teaching of Salvation through the redemption of the blood of a sacrifice is all through the books of Moses and the Prophets. The teachings of Jesus were taught immediately beginning on the day of pentecost 10 days after Jesus ascended to the right hand of God the Father. The book of Acts reveals the many that were saved in the days, weeks, months, and years after Jesus rose from the dead.

BTW, I understand the Greek language of which the New Testament books were written.

These muslim murderers chose to believe a totally different story with all their hearts, and they think your story is pure rubbish, just the same as you think the Koran is. There is the distinct possibility that both books are pure rubbish.

Many believer many different beliefs concerning various gods and philosophies. There is One God and after wandering around with various beliefs, God himself opened my eyes to the truth, and it is He that teaches me. One day, perhaps, you too will gain the witness of God Almighty within you so that you can understand this amazing truth.

Just because you are absolutely sure you are right, doesn't mean you actually ARE right.

I claim that everything that I speak that does not align with the Word of God is a lie. God is right and all men are liars.

If's it's accusitory, so be it, but there is a reason it's called faith. You can share your beliefs (anyone, not just you personally) but you can't definatively proclaim that there is only one road to heaven, because you you don't KNOW it to be true, you only believe it because someone else convinced you to believe it. Others have not been convinced and may well never be convinced.

I know the truth of God's Word and the truth that there is only one way to the Father in heaven, for the only begotten son Jesus Christ taught this truth. If Jesus Christ is wrong, then I too am wrong. If Jesus Christ is Truth, then you are wrong and hard-hearted and among the many that are on the road to destruction.

Just a friendly warning to get your house in order for the time of Jesus Christ is at hand.

[jetrim]

First of all, I didn't miss the point at all. You were associating those that stand upon the Word of God and His love with those who stand upon the Words of a man and his hate.

I don't think it's been disputed here or elsewhere that the Bible was inspired by God but written by men - The exact same claim Islam makes about the Koran. (and the same claim still that Judaism makes about the Talmud).

Secondly, I had men tell me the gospel of Jesus Christ for twenty-eight years to no avail. I did not believe them one single time. Until the Spirit of God revealed His Word to me, and impressed upon me that I may never get another opportunity to believe before I would pass from this life and be judged, I did not believe. I humbled myself at that moment, got honest with myself and before God Almighty, and believed.

I am truly happy for you, even though you've been eirily non-specific in your illustration.

Finally, the Word of God and the teaching of Salvation through the redemption of the blood of a sacrifice is all through the books of Moses and the Prophets. The teachings of Jesus were taught immediately beginning on the day of pentecost 10 days after Jesus ascended to the right hand of God the Father. The book of Acts reveals the many that were saved in the days, weeks, months, and years after Jesus rose from the dead.

BTW, I understand the Greek language of which the New Testament books were written.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were not Moses and the Prophets MEN and therefore inherently falable?

If you understand Greek (which many of us, including myself don't) you are uniquely qualified then to enlighten us as to which of the 25+ versions of the Bible currently in print is the correct translation of the original texts! Care to comment or hazzard a guess as to why self professed men of God who wrote all the other trnslations would have the pure audacity to change the word of God?

Just a friendly warning to get your house in order for the time of Jesus Christ is at hand.

My house is as much in order as is humanly possible, thanks.

[Solo]

I don't think it's been disputed here or elsewhere that the Bible was inspired by God but written by men - The exact same claim Islam makes about the Koran. (and the same claim still that Judaism makes about the Talmud).

The claim will remain, and the proof is available as to which claim is true to all who come to the light. You can choose Mohammad, Jesus, or the one who claims to be God coming around the corner. Those who choose Jesus will see, while those who do not cannot.

I am truly happy for you, even though you've been eirily non-specific in your illustration.

Thank you for being truly happy for me, even if it is in an eerily insidious fashion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but were not Moses and the Prophets MEN and therefore inherently falable?

You are correct in your assertion that Moses and the Prophets were MEN, but incorrect in your assumption that they were falable while inspired by God in writing and proclaiming God's Word. Was Jesus a MAN, and was Jesus falable? If so, what part of Jesus' teachings were in error?

If you understand Greek (which many of us, including myself don't) you are uniquely qualified then to enlighten us as to which of the 25+ versions of the Bible currently in print is the correct translation of the original texts! Care to comment or hazzard a guess as to why self professed men of God who wrote all the other trnslations would have the pure audacity to change the word of God?

The English Translation of the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts is essential in providing the English speaking population an understandable version of the Scriptures since few English speaking people speak Hebrew and Greek. These translations from the original languages into English were made so that people could read the Scriptures in contemporary English. The first English Translation was made a little over 600 years ago.

The translation of the Greek New Testament is an arduous task, and is such so that the most precise translation of the original manuscripts do not alter the message. The words may be updated to the most contemporary usage of the day, but the message remains the same. The King James Version was translated in 1611 by 47 scholars, and has been the most reliable translation for over three centuries. The New American Standard version was translated by 58 scholars in 1971, and is said to be the most exact English translation available today. The New International Version was translated in 1978 by over 100 scholars, and is an "open" style translation.

Other English Translations are not translations at all, but are paraphrases. These paraphrases tend to lean toward the author's understanding of the Scriptures as opposed to the translated correspondance of the original texts. The Living Bible is one such paraphrase. Another paraphrase would be the Jehovah's Witnesses New World translation which is not a translation at all, but a combination of translation and sectarian paraphrase.

Another list of English translations are called Study Bibles. There are many study Bibles today, and they tend to use the most widely used translations such as King James, New International, New American Standard, etc.

A list of all of these translations are available for review on the internet pages. Keep in mind that the English word use may change, and the grammatical structure may change from one translation to the next, but the message remains intact.

My house is as much in order as is humanly possible, thanks.

Good.

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15