See, and the bullies I'm seeing at school and at extra curricular activies are the ones who don't get ANY disciple, or the parents who are waiting for someone else to do it.

Is spanking the best form of disciplne? No, not imo. But is it better than no discipline? Yes. And I'm refering to spanking, not beating, which to me are two different things. If I hauled off and punched a child, or an adult, yes, that is abuse, and should be treated as such.