Hey, you think PMA is gonna introduce d70 replacement?

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The 5D is almost twice as expensive as the D200 which for me means they're not competitors. It's enabled Canon to distract attention from the D200 but when/if the 30D comes out it may just demonstrate how much extra you pay for the full-frame sensor and for what improvement.

Charles

Ah yes, I didn't consider the price difference. Geez, where was my head?

It's great having a range of camera's, sort of something to fill everyone's budget. Basic DSLR's start at well under $1000 now, and you can work your way up the price scale for the features you want/can afford.

Let's see, on the Nikon side, you have the D50 for $650, the D70s for $899, the D200 for $1700, the D2H for $3,500, and the ultimate Nikon, the D2X for ONLY $5000.

Switching tracks here, I'm wondering if the introduction of the 5D will finally push Nikon to make a full frame sensor for the D3X. Kodak has been making a full frame sensor for $5,000, Canon has been making the 1Ds for $8,000, but the 5D for a little over $3,000 is definitely going to upset the Nikon applecart. (At least I think so.)

I love Nikon's, love the ergonomics, but in the digital world, they seem content to leave things as they are. It takes Canon introducing something new and/or cheaper to get Nikon going.

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Kodak has been making a full frame sensor for $5,000

Past tense. They used to. Basically it was an N80 with a f/f sensor - for five grand? It was less at the end, but it's not the camera for everybody. And apparently not enough, either...

Canon has some advantages and Nikon does too. I'm still using my Fuji S2 which is almost ancient by today's standards. I'd like to upgrade it, but not enough to part with the cash - nothing looks that good just yet. If the D70 had a better viewfinder, maybe - but I think before too long that a D200-like camera will be in that price range.

I have to put in a plug for Fuji, too. My sensor died, and they fixed it free. I'm guessing that the repair would normally cost at least what the camera's worth on the used market but they admitted that there were a bunch of bad sensors and stood behind them. I bought it new 2-1/2 years ago, so it's 1-1/2 years out of warranty. Apparently it's sitting at FedEx here in town too, after Fuji only having it for less than a week. Top that! Look for a big public thank you to Fuji here in Viewfinder after I pick it up...

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I have to put in a plug for Fuji, too. My sensor died, and they fixed it free. I'm guessing that the repair would normally cost at least what the camera's worth on the used market but they admitted that there were a bunch of bad sensors and stood behind them. I bought it new 2-1/2 years ago, so it's 1-1/2 years out of warranty. Apparently it's sitting at FedEx here in town too, after Fuji only having it for less than a week. Top that! Look for a big public thank you to Fuji here in Viewfinder after I pick it up...

That is awesome!!! Seeing a company stand behind their products is getting to be a rare thing these days. It's nice to know something still cares about quality and the customer.

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Switching tracks here, I'm wondering if the introduction of the 5D will finally push Nikon to make a full frame sensor for the D3X. Kodak has been making a full frame sensor for $5,000, Canon has been making the 1Ds for $8,000, but the 5D for a little over $3,000 is definitely going to upset the Nikon applecart. (At least I think so.)

I love Nikon's, love the ergonomics, but in the digital world, they seem content to leave things as they are. It takes Canon introducing something new and/or cheaper to get Nikon going.

Let's just wait for a while and see what the 30D actually turns out to be, if it even exists.

Charles