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[trog100]

sorry to sound a little harsh.. but we live in the days when a so called "photograph" can be created without going near a camera at all.. there has to be point where a photograph become so manipulated with a desktop computer it ceases to be a photograph and becomes simply a computer generated "image"..

this point has to be defined if we want to keep the art of photography alive.. one criteria i use is does the finished product pass muster seem at a decent size and will it still print okay at a decent size and it has to vaguely resemble what came oiut of the camera in the first place would be another criteria..

relying on a high mega pixel count and cropping small chunks of whatever seems the most interesting afterwards dosnt count as photography to me.. sorry..

i also critique a photgraph as a photograph.. which in essence means i allow for the limitations of the camera.. a skillfully used piece of imaging software knows no such limitations..

i might well accept the arguement that anything goes for the sake of art but not if the piece of art wants to still be considered a photograph and be critiqued as a photograph as opposed to a computer generated image..

i need to define in my own mine where photography stops and computer generated imagery begins if no one else does.. i see a diffence and to be honest find it difficult to accept that no one else seems to care.. he he

trog

ps..

[gahspidy]

trog, as I said, it is a heck of a crop, but cropping like this has been done before digital was in play. It may have meant that only an 8x10 or smaller print might be able to come out of it, but nevertheless, it has always been done. Especially if the photographer has a vision in mind when shooting. This is photography. We all know it is best to have the crop in camera as best as it can be, but there are times when we just cannot get it there and we must work with it afterwards.

[MarcusK]

One hell of a crop indeed...a crop that was nicely seen.... love the photo! If i were you i would have swam out to get a better photo (hahaha...just kidding )
I love the loneliness it gives, as well as the proportions.... aren't we small???

Trog: I know what you are saying....but i have to disagree with you...since photography is not about the equipment first second and last.... with all the technology available today.... any intellectually-challenged person can go out and take pictures... odds are, with enough pics, they are bound to take the perfect shot... Doesn't make them photographers....

But to remain honest with myself as well as others, i must agree with you on the issue, where computer imaging software, has turned most photographers (sometimes me too ) a little more lazy.... we tend to say "it's ok, i'll fix it later" as opposed to knowing exactly what you want and doing it right away...Mind you, there are many situations where the tech. is an extension...

This however, is no such case... a photographer saw an image... he zoomed in his mind... this image would have been lost if computer software was unavailable.... he took the shot... cropped it....and did a little tweaking....

Although i must say Brian, you could have fixed the settings on the camera for better colors...no??

Marc

[Brian001]

Although i must say Brian, you could have fixed the settings on the camera for better colors...no??

Marc

haha, im still learning how to press the shutter button, as a "youngin" with his first dsrl im still figuring it out, give me time...and im heading back out there end of july so well see if i get an equally opportune moment...untill then, ill keep tweaking in photoshop, and messing around with my camera :thumbsup: