thanks for viewing,and i think your right,my cell phone can convert the images to black and white along with sepia,and negative as well,i was going for the shapes and lines in the shot,my favorite was the third,the way i unintentionally placed the cut tubes in that fashion,kind of looked interesting,the first and last are my own cuttings from the saw,the second is what i have been cutting down for this whole week, but your input is greatly appreciated.