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    mooo...wooh hoooh! schrackman's Avatar
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    Re: Christianity requires no proof?

    So yes we need to define a Christian according to the Holy Word of God
    Excellent point, Javier. But atheists and skeptics don't like it when we have to define for them just what a Christian is, as it tends to take away too much fire from their arguments against Christianity.

    I believe it was Justin Martyr (2nd century) who said, "He who does not follow the teachings of Christ, through he professes him with his lips, cannot be counted a Christian."

    That's how this is answered to:

    So how do you fit the massive displays of Christan violence and sadism through history? The Crusades, the purging of French Protestants, the glorious Inquisition, the Christian genocide of entire cultures in the Pacific Islands, the Christian collaboration with the Nazis, the "Just War" theory to allow Christians to participate in Vietnam, the use of churches as meeting places for the KKK... The list goes on and on.

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    Re: Christianity requires no proof?

    Okay, why don't you elaborate on this for us? Begin by telling us just when the early church put the Bible together.
    This has been answered several times already. Please read the thread for the reason I won't do this yet again.

    In the first place, Michael, logical proof is not the only kind of proof that exists
    Finally! This is what I have been saying for at least 4 pages of this thread! Faith and logical proof ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT REALITY. I have no problem with that. So why does the argument always come back to the faithful trying desperately to logically prove their faith?

    I have chosen to look at the world logically. You have chosen to look at the world through the supernatural. That's all there is to it! What makes it so important to continue this thread that, by it's very nature, can never go anywhere?
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    Re: Christianity requires no proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by schrackman
    Excellent point, Javier. But atheists and skeptics don't like it when we have to define for them just what a Christian is, as it tends to take away too much fire from their arguments against Christianity.

    I believe it was Justin Martyr (2nd century) who said, "He who does not follow the teachings of Christ, through he professes him with his lips, cannot be counted a Christian."
    shrackman
    Yep, I agree...There are self professed Christians and then there are bible believing who Christians who are doers of the word...

    There are many self professed Christians in my own Church, yet their fruit says other wise...You shall know them by their fruit...This is important because to use
    some of Mikes examples, what kind of fruit did Hitler, The Crusades headed by Pope leo, or the KKK put out...Do they, did they, put out good or bad fruit?
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