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    Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    Hey everyone, I own a Nikon D80 with the Nikkor 18-200mm 3.5-5.6 G ED DX lens.

    The problem is that every single picture I take comes out soft and blurry no matter what light, aperture, focal length, etc I am shooting in.

    I am a fairly experienced photographer and I know my camera well (meaning the problem is not that the autofocus has been turned to manual, VR mode is not off, etc.)

    I was wondering if anyone had any insights into what the problem might be. Here is an example: - notice the elephant hair is blurry and so is the man in the foreground.



    Thanks!

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    Re: Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    Is the vr set to normal or active?
    I've never figured out how to get exif data from posted pics so could you give us aperture and shutter speed, iso, whatever else might help?
    To my eye, it appears the man behind and just in front of the elephant and the legs with the green hat are in sharpest focus so I'm thinking fairly shallow dof and do you know what your focal point was?
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    Re: Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    frog if you use firefox try this out. firefox extention for viewing exif

    otherwise here is what I see.
    Camera Make: NIKON CORPORATION
    Camera Model: NIKON D80
    Image Date: 2009:03:16 19:52:05
    Flash Used: No
    Focal Length: 29.0mm (35mm equivalent: 43mm)
    Exposure Time: 0.0016 s (1/640)
    Aperture: f/5.0
    ISO equiv: 400
    White Balance: Auto
    Metering Mode: Matrix
    Exposure: Manual
    Exposure Mode: Manual
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    Re: Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    OP - Smaller please.

    EXIF:

    [Image]
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    Model = NIKON D80
    Orientation = top/left
    X Resolution = 300
    Y Resolution = 300
    Resolution Unit = inch
    Software = Ver.1.10
    Date Time = 2009-03-16 19:52:05
    YCbCr Positioning = co-sited
    Exif IFD Pointer = Offset: 216

    [Camera]
    Exposure Time = 1/640"
    F Number = F5
    Exposure Program = Manual
    ISO Speed Ratings = 400
    Exif Version = Version 2.21
    Date Time Original = 2009-03-16 19:52:05
    Date Time Digitized = 2009-03-16 19:52:05
    Components Configuration = YCbcr
    Compressed Bits Per Pixel = 4
    Exposure Bias Value = 0EV
    Max Aperture Value = F4
    Metering Mode = Pattern
    Light Source = unknown
    Flash = Off
    Focal Length = 29mm
    Maker Note = 25402 Byte
    User Comment =
    Subsec Time = 0.60"
    Subsec Time Original = 0.60"
    Subsec Time Digitized = 0.60"
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    Exif Image Width = 3872
    Exif Image Height = 2592
    Interoperability IFD Pointer = Offset: 26254
    Sensing Method = One-chip color area sensor
    File Source = DSC
    Scene Type = A directly photographed image
    CFA Pattern = [G,B],
    [R,G]
    Custom Rendered = Normal process
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    White Balance = Auto white balance
    Digital Zoom Ratio = 1x
    Focal Length In 35mm Film = 43mm
    Scene Capture Type = Normal
    Gain Control = Low gain up
    Contrast = Normal
    Saturation = High saturation
    Sharpness = Hard
    Subject Distance Range = unknown

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    Interoperability Index = ExifR98
    Interoperability Version = Version 1.0

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    X Resolution = 300
    Y Resolution = 300
    Resolution Unit = inch
    JPEG Interchange Format = Offset: 26392
    JPEG Interchange Format Length = Length: 9641
    YCbCr Positioning = co-sited

    [Thumbnail]
    Thumbnail = 160 x 120

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    ISO Speed Used = 400
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    Re: Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    I can't see anything that looks critically sharp, either.

    At f/5 you're probably not at the sharpest aperture for that lens.
    There's significant chromatic aberration still present at the edges.
    That might go away by stopping down to f/8 maybe.
    It might contribute to the apparent unsharpness.

    Do you have a filter in front of the lens?
    Perhaps a UV filter that you're using to protect the front of it?
    Looks like that may be blurring the image slightly, particularly on the right.
    It's also evident on the left, where the man's black hat is in front of the white car.

    It would have been good to link to the full size, rather than embedding it, but thanks for the full image, it's made looking for (un)sharpness easier.


    I have to admit I'm sceptical about these long range (11x) zoom lenses, finding even my 100-400 zoom poor in comparison to the 3x range of the 24-70 or 70-200 f/2.8 zooms.
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    Re: Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    Those previous clips were from the raw image.
    These are after processing up the image in Lightroom.

    Blue chromatic aberration: 26
    Red chromatic aberration: -7
    Defringe: all edges
    Sharpening: 59
    Sharpen radius: 1
    Sharpen detail: 32

    DSLR images usually need some sharpening, unless you set in-camera adjustments for colour and sharpening.
    Personally I prefer to leave the camera settings neutral, shoot in RAW, and adjust in Lightroom.
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    Re: Great camera - expensive lens - always blurry

    The focus mode you were using AF-A does not work well under those lighting conditions. See page 29 in your manual. Unless you have a bad copy of the lens you should be able to sharp images with this lens. On the long end the image degrades a little but at 29 mm and F 5 you should have a sharp picture. I have never found the AF-A (or equivalent) setting to work that well. I would also set all of the enhancement settings vivid, mode llla etc. back to factory settings until you find the problem as I noticed the elephants ear is a little muddy in appearance and this could be causing some loss of sharpness. You focus point was slightly behind and below the ear----not a good area to focus on. This was taken with an 18-200 mm @ 135 mm F 10 and AF-S---yours should be sharper at 29 mm. http://gallery.photographyreview.com...&ppuser=249118
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