• 03-05-2005, 11:18 PM
    almo
    ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Well after the recent news about the shooting of Dimebag Darrel, I found this news to be rather refreshing. It would seem that ex-guitarist and founding member of korn Brian Welch was baptized in the River Jordan in KIBBUTZ KINNERET, Israel just 3 hours ago.

    I say may God bless and use him to spread a good message to the youth of this country, and the world.

    http://www.comcast.net/entertainment.../06/74059.html


    almo
  • 03-05-2005, 11:43 PM
    DownByFive
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Wow...I remember seeing Korn in concert in my younger days. Interesting also that I stayed not very far from Kibbutz Kinneret last summer...
  • 03-06-2005, 06:41 AM
    another view
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Wonder if he's friends with Blink 182's former guitar player...? ;)
  • 03-06-2005, 09:30 AM
    Arctirus
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    I've heard of Korn but never heard their music. Cool that he's become a Christian though.
  • 03-06-2005, 11:06 AM
    paulnj
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Almo, did it by any chance tell you were I might see GOD, so I can take the first image of HER? Yes , I said HER (all the stories about god lead me to believe that god can't be a man)

    If he was truely found.... a picture is in order to prove the statement ;)

    NO MATTER WHAT ONE'S BELIEFS ARE..... A belief that make's YOU happy is all I think is great! the rest is insignificant to me !

    OH NO... STRYPER / early U2 RUINION COMING SOON ;)
  • 03-06-2005, 11:17 AM
    Axle
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    God is God. God is neither male or female, but if refered to as Father in the Bible. (Which is the Word of God).
  • 03-06-2005, 11:36 AM
    Trevor Ash
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    I'm not religious, and I don't believe in god, in any form. I believe there is nothing after death. But I do find it amazing the good things that religion can do for humanity......I'd hate to ponder what the world would be like without it. So good for him. From reading the article, he needed some salvation from a downward spiraling life. Personally, I'm always waiting for the day where something drastic changes my mind about things.....it'd be soooo much easier believing that there was something after death.
  • 03-06-2005, 12:02 PM
    paulnj
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    "Which is the Word of God".... WRITTEN BY MEN :) hahaha . I know full well that all the translations of "the bible" call god "FATHER", but so do kids of gender reassigned parents ;)

    MINOLTA WARRIORS :) YOU GO !!!!!!!
  • 03-06-2005, 04:28 PM
    Axle
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Yes, you're right, the Bible was written by men....but all scripture is God breathed/inspired (2 Tim 3:16). Which means it came from God, either from the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit (God, the three in one, Trinity). Which means that even though it has been translated into many different languages God would not allow it to be tainted in any way, shape, or form. In fact when compairing all the 'modren' versions of the Bible (and I'm talking NRSV, NIV, Today's English, MKJV) to the dead sea scrolls (Contains such books as Isaiah) there was very little difference between the two.

    I personally think it's awesome whenever anyone gives their life over to Christ, weather they're a well known figure, such as the guitarist from Korn, or just a Bob Smith living on the Street.
  • 03-06-2005, 10:37 PM
    schrackman
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Paul

    Quote:

    NO MATTER WHAT ONE'S BELIEFS ARE..... A belief that make's YOU happy is all I think is great! the rest is insignificant to me !
    Apparently you don't really share that sentiment, otherwise you wouldn't have responded in such a condescending way. Try not to be so obvious, Paul.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paulnj
    Almo, did it by any chance tell you were I might see GOD, so I can take the first image of HER? Yes , I said HER (all the stories about god lead me to believe that god can't be a man)

    If he was truely found.... a picture is in order to prove the statement ;)

    Yes, like a photo of God would do you any good. Cain spoke face to face with God, and yet he still refused to believe God. What makes you so different?

    Besides, God has already given a picture of himself in Jesus Christ. The Scripture teaches us that Christ is the express image of God. Learn of him, and you'll see God. Choose to remain ignorant about him, and you'll never get to see him.


    Almo,

    Quote:

    Well after the recent news about the shooting of Dimebag Darrel, I found this news to be rather refreshing. It would seem that ex-guitarist and founding member of korn Brian Welch was baptized in the River Jordan in KIBBUTZ KINNERET, Israel just 3 hours ago.

    I say may God bless and use him to spread a good message to the youth of this country, and the world.
    Amen. I hope the story is true and I hope that he becomes a great witness for the Lord.
  • 03-06-2005, 11:34 PM
    jtp
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Speaking of DB Darrel, here a few pictures that I took of him this past spring. Vinnie and my little brother are in Las Vegas as we speak.
    http://kissrocks.com/images/bands/damageplan_30.jpg
    http://kissrocks.com/images/bands/damageplan_33.jpg
    http://kissrocks.com/images/bands/damageplan_25.jpg
    kissing babies? Coulda been a politician.
    http://kissrocks.com/images/bands/damageplan_24.jpg
    These are very small versions of the originals.
    JP
  • 03-07-2005, 05:36 AM
    Axle
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Quote:

    Yes, like a photo of God would do you any good. Cain spoke face to face with God, and yet he still refused to believe God. What makes you so different?
    Actually Cain just spoke to God, not face to face. No man has been able to look right at the face of God, since it's so glorious it would kill a human. The only person who has seen God in his heavenly form (father/creator) is Moses and then it was only God's back, not front. And still Moses face glowed afterwards so much that he had to cover his face to prevent people from going blind. A photo of God, well that'd break your camera and kill you.

    Quote:

    Besides, God has already given a picture of himself in Jesus Christ. The Scripture teaches us that Christ is the express image of God. Learn of him, and you'll see God. Choose to remain ignorant about him, and you'll never get to see him.
    Absolutly! Christ is God in a way that we can understand and interact with!
  • 03-07-2005, 08:33 AM
    schrackman
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Axle
    Actually Cain just spoke to God, not face to face. No man has been able to look right at the face of God, since it's so glorious it would kill a human. The only person who has seen God in his heavenly form (father/creator) is Moses and then it was only God's back, not front. And still Moses face glowed afterwards so much that he had to cover his face to prevent people from going blind. A photo of God, well that'd break your camera and kill you.

    Well, did not Jacob did say that he saw God face to face? Of course God has been known to appear in theophanies, so I can see how this would be quite possible. But you are correct...no man has seen God in all his glory. Some people think that if they could just see God then they'd believe, when the fact is one would still have to take God by faith regardless of seeing him in some physical form.

    Quote:

    Christ is God in a way that we can understand and interact with!
    This is refreshing to hear. I'm getting tired of hearing people say we can't understand God when we most certainly can--through Christ.
  • 03-07-2005, 09:16 AM
    Axle
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Quote:

    Well, did not Jacob did say that he saw God face to face?
    Yes, you're right there. (Gen 32:22-32). But as it says in vs. 24 'So Jacob was left alone and wrestled with a man until daybreak'. Then in vs 30 'So Jacob called the place peniel, saing, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.'

    So this is perhapes the first appearance of God in human form.

    Quote:

    take God by faith regardless of seeing him in some physical form
    That is what faith is, believing in something, in this case God/Christ/Holy Spirit, and the death/resurection of Christ without seeing it.
  • 03-07-2005, 09:25 AM
    paulnj
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Ray,

    you crack me up!

    Why do you think that you know my thoughts, my faith(or lack of ?), my TRUE nature and most importantly.... MY ABNORMAL SENSE OF HUMOR? I assure you MY HEART is PURE and I do not FEAR the truth ONCE you discover it.

    YOUR BIBLE may have these verses....

    James 4:4 and James 4:11 wait those to me read DO NOT judge and churches are adultresses :)

    Matthew 7:1 and Matthew 7:17-20..... WHICH ONE DO WE FOLLOW?

    John 7:24 OK, do we judge our fellow man or not?

    and Romans 2:1 OH I LIKE THIS ONE :)

    1 Corinthians 4:5 ... PONDER THIS why don't you

    Romans 14:10 .....AMEN

    1 Corinthians 5:3.... OH NO.... GOD is everywhere, so he does truely know me and my HEART :o

    You truely need to rethink what you have just written next time, because those seemed to be JUDGEMENTAL words you wrote. BUT WAIT.... the Bible is unclear as to it's stand on that matter anyway

    NOW I'VE DONE IT.


    Almo....

    I truely am sorry that my comments were not taken as nothing more than a poke in the ribs (PHOTOGRAPHYREVIEW/ IMAGE of GOD....get it)

    I do think it's GREAT that he has chosen a religious path over a drug addiction
  • 03-07-2005, 10:00 AM
    villenadecorte
    Is this what ViewFinder is for?????????????
    GO BACK TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND PLEASE READ WHAT VIEW FINDER IS FOR!

    ViewFinder Forum
    General discussion - our photography living room. Talk about aesthetics, philosophy, share your photos - get inspired by your peers! Moderated by another view and Liz.

    Seriously- if "Religion or Belief" are a contributing factor to your photography- by all means, post that.

    But if you want to talk Religion in an area where you're supposed to talk Photog....
    Go here:
    www.faithforum.org
    Or one of the ten million other sites that host this sort of thing.

    You know, usually I ignore crap like this, and am a pretty reserved person in ranting and raving but come on- I've been off the boards for months and back on for a few weeks and this is like the umpteenth time I've seen a post like this, followed by ranting and raving and Bible-Thumping- In-Your-Face-One-Liners- Spouting Bible Verses.
    Dont use this site to be a missionary.
  • 03-07-2005, 10:26 AM
    another view
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    villenadecorte, recently we posted guidelines for posting here in Viewfinder. It was decided that religious/political/etc posts were OK - as long as everyone stays civil. Discussions like this will heat up, but it seems like everyone is pretty respectful of one another. As long as it stays like that, we probably won't change anything.

    I agree that posts like this have no direct connection with photography, but it is a way for members to get to know each other. Sometimes understanding someone's background helps when looking at their work. Personally, I usually stay out of these discussions...
  • 03-07-2005, 10:32 AM
    Dzerzhinski46
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Doesn't this fall under the "Philosophy" heading? After all, Viewfinder is kind of a free for all anyways, isn't it?

    [quote=almo]Well after the recent news about the shooting of Dimebag Darrel, I found this news to be rather refreshing[quote]
    Yes, very refreshing indeed. "Ho! Everyone who thirsts, Come to the waters."

    (oh, by the way, his title does sound a bit like a National Enquirer headline, :D)

    This then is the Divine Mystery Paul. God is so far beyond our comprehension (infinite in fact) that labeling God as female or male is useless (you forgot that she is black too :D). We think of God in human terms in order to understand, but that does not mean we fully understand God. And yes, "Judge not for you shall be judged with the same measure you use...". But Jesus also said, "Go therefor and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you". You have a wonderful sense of humor Paul, and God loves you too. God bless. :)

    Dzerzhinski
  • 03-07-2005, 10:32 AM
    Arctirus
    Re: Is this what ViewFinder is for?????????????
    It seems to me that this thread got out of hand by people who felt the need to speak out against religion instead of just leaving the topic fade into obscurity. I didn't notice the original poster preaching or quoting any bible verses but merely quoting a news article not unlike many other off topic posts on PR. Lighten up people; just because someone mentions religion doesn't mean that's a que for everyone to start a debate. I'm happy for the guy and glad he turned his life around. 'Nuff said.
  • 03-07-2005, 10:56 AM
    paulnj
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    SOUND TO ME LIKE YOU JUST MIGHT GET MY POINT and UNDERSTAND my comments.

    I find humor in just about anything, but that seems to get me into debates(which I wish I never entered). I am far from being a moron, so I can debate ANYTHING if I choose to :)

    NOBODY on this bourd truely knows me, but I assure you Penny knows me the best....

    Penny, feel free to discuss the REAL me that you have gotten to know with ANYONE!!! My only request is to not publicly discuss me (as in post here for the world to read)
  • 03-07-2005, 11:01 AM
    villenadecorte
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Well thank you for clearing that up- I didnt know that there was even a decision on such a thing. I found the original posters topic to yes, be obscure and interesting... but the "same old argument" following to just be out of place.
    Maybe these types of posts SHOULD have some connection with photography?? If people feel so compelled to discuss religious beliefs, why not go at it artistically and convey through photography how you feel about your beliefs? Atleast it would be more enjoyable that reading the same ol' debate! :)

    Cheers,
    Rebekah
    VillenaDeCorte




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by another view
    villenadecorte, recently we posted guidelines for posting here in Viewfinder. It was decided that religious/political/etc posts were OK - as long as everyone stays civil. Discussions like this will heat up, but it seems like everyone is pretty respectful of one another. As long as it stays like that, we probably won't change anything.

    I agree that posts like this have no direct connection with photography, but it is a way for members to get to know each other. Sometimes understanding someone's background helps when looking at their work. Personally, I usually stay out of these discussions...

  • 03-07-2005, 11:04 AM
    villenadecorte
    Re: Is this what ViewFinder is for?????????????
    Obscure and interesting yes... I actually like the Original Posters topic thats why I decided to read it. But alas, it always starts out interesting and obscure and then...comes the same ol debate.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Arctirus
    It seems to me that this thread got out of hand by people who felt the need to speak out against religion instead of just leaving the topic fade into obscurity. I didn't notice the original poster preaching or quoting any bible verses but merely quoting a news article not unlike many other off topic posts on PR. Lighten up people; just because someone mentions religion doesn't mean that's a que for everyone to start a debate. I'm happy for the guy and glad he turned his life around. 'Nuff said.

  • 03-07-2005, 11:37 AM
    another view
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by villenadecorte
    If people feel so compelled to discuss religious beliefs, why not go at it artistically and convey through photography how you feel about your beliefs? Atleast it would be more enjoyable that reading the same ol' debate!

    You know, you're right! I think that's a great idea, and I'll let you start... :D
    Thanks for understanding.
  • 03-07-2005, 11:56 AM
    villenadecorte
    Re: ex-Korn guitarist finds God!
    I'd love to play along- but I have no religious beliefs to convey!

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by another view
    You know, you're right! I think that's a great idea, and I'll let you start... :D
    Thanks for understanding.

  • 03-07-2005, 12:19 PM
    paulnj
    Re: Silence is Golden...
    When the time comes for weighing the prophecies, women should remain silent.

    ODD that you would refer that towards my post .... Paul a PROFIT has spoken;)