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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    but then as a Canadian, I freely admit to not understanding American thinking.

    As an American, I don't understand American thinking either.
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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg McCary
    How would you have done it, given the chance?
    An excellent question! I would be constantly shooting and talking to her as soon as she entered the room, trying to get her to relax and be herself. If I was stuck with the formal clothes and setting...as in limited control, then I would have gotten a smile, laugh, twinkle in her eye, anyway I could. The emphasis would be on the idea that there is more to the queen than stuffy formality and aloofness. There is a personality under the crown and the stiff formal clothes. That would be one approach.

    With more control, I would have gone for less formal attire while still trying to maintain the regal atmosphere combined with some personality and spirit from the subject, which means getting her to relax and be natural. I would again be constantly shooting to get what I was after.

    Before shooting her, I would do some quick research to find anything that I could about her personality that would be helpful to make use of, during the shooting. I would also have locations and clothes in mind that would fit with her likes, personal style, and regal function.

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnoco
    An excellent question! I would be constantly shooting and talking to her as soon as she entered the room, trying to get her to relax and be herself. If I was stuck with the formal clothes and setting...as in limited control, then I would have gotten a smile, laugh, twinkle in her eye, anyway I could. The emphasis would be on the idea that there is more to the queen than stuffy formality and aloofness. There is a personality under the crown and the stiff formal clothes. That would be one approach.

    With more control, I would have gone for less formal attire while still trying to maintain the regal atmosphere combined with some personality and spirit from the subject, which means getting her to relax and be natural. I would again be constantly shooting to get what I was after.

    Before shooting her, I would do some quick research to find anything that I could about her personality that would be helpful to make use of, during the shooting. I would also have locations and clothes in mind that would fit with her likes, personal style, and regal function.

    Ronnoco
    How much time do you think you get with a Royal? as for "locations and clothes in mind that would fit with her likes, personal style, and regal function." These would all be contradictory for the Queen.

    Perhaps you should watch some documentaries and learn about Her Majesty before drivelling on.

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnoco
    Well, my point is that AL should have had a logical photographic goal, if she wanted to take a great portrait, and since no particular goal comes through in the photo, then perhaps that in itself IS the major weakness of the picture. It is too typical, with no freshness and minimal photographic style.

    I am surprised that you think that a cliché style photo is perfect for Americans but then as a Canadian, I freely admit to not understanding American thinking.

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    I didn't say that a cliche style photo is perfect for Americans. I said that the photo represents what (some) Americans think of when they think of royalty.

    However, I suspect that even if she's been photographed in a vat of asses milk, or naked wrapped around someone, or with a twinkle in her eye, or smile or on various locations you'd find the photo weak.

    And to say that there wasn't a logical photographic goal is irrelevant. Because she didn't have YOUR photographic goal, you are going to find fault, regardless of what the final image looks like.
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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by readingr
    How much time do you think you get with a Royal? as for "locations and clothes in mind that would fit with her likes, personal style, and regal function." These would all be contradictory for the Queen.

    Perhaps you should watch some documentaries and learn about Her Majesty before drivelling on.

    Roger
    Come on Roger, there has been one heck of a lot written about the Queen in all kinds of media, as well as interviews etc. You do your homework first and that is not drivel. That is what any top pro should be doing before a shoot. Drop the silliness.

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by adina
    I didn't say that a cliche style photo is perfect for Americans. I said that the photo represents what (some) Americans think of when they think of royalty.

    However, I suspect that even if she's been photographed in a vat of asses milk, or naked wrapped around someone, or with a twinkle in her eye, or smile or on various locations you'd find the photo weak.

    And to say that there wasn't a logical photographic goal is irrelevant. Because she didn't have YOUR photographic goal, you are going to find fault, regardless of what the final image looks like.
    Gee, you can't discuss things logically and unemotionally without attacking the person making the comments that you disagree with. It seems to me that moderators should be above that approach and discouraging it from other posters as well.

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Either I missed it in the discussion here or in the news, but did anyone ever ask the Queen what she thought of it? After all, she's the subject, and she should have the last word, correct?

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnoco
    Gee, you can't discuss things logically and unemotionally without attacking the person making the comments that you disagree with. It seems to me that moderators should be above that approach and discouraging it from other posters as well.
    Ron,

    I fail to see Adina's response as an illogical and emotional attack on you. Rather, she was correcting what you had misconstrued in her previous response. I believe she's entitled to that without your trying to turn it around on what you perceive to be a weakness on her part.

    Furthermore, I have to say that her suspicion regarding your negative attitude toward critiquing photos is only natural, as your reputation for negative comments seems to precede you. It's how people expect you will respond, because you''re so consistent that way.

    Now, getting back to the photo of the queen itself...did it ever occur to you that perhaps this particular photo was precisely the kind of image the queen was wanting to convey, regardless if others wanted a photo of her to convey something else? From what I've read on the subject this seems to be the case, and the queen is well pleased. And if this is so, then what's left to critique other than the technical aspects of the photo? Can you find any faults or praise there?

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnoco
    Come on Roger, there has been one heck of a lot written about the Queen in all kinds of media, as well as interviews etc. You do your homework first and that is not drivel. That is what any top pro should be doing before a shoot. Drop the silliness.

    Ronnoco
    Ron,

    Re-order in any way you like "Kettle" "Pot" "Black"

    I live here and I am completely fed up with being told about the life of the Royals and the hysteria over certain members of that clan.

    Let it go Ron, your onto a looser as the Queen would not let any picture out that she and her minions were not happy with, and no photograph would be allowed to be taken without a full and frank discussion with Her Majesty and her minions and scrutinised and sanitised for public consumption.

    If you think you can take pictures of the Queen all day in all sorts of poses and print what you like then your living in a dream world.

    I have to agree with Adina because a lot of people and not just Americans have a preconceived idea of the Royal Family and how they look or should look.

    Technically I think the photograph is excellent and can be viewed in many ways. Perfect for the market it was aimed at. If you think the Queen or her minions would allow you to get a John Lennon style photo from AL and that she had a free reign then your just kidding yourself.

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    Re: Critics not amused by queen photo

    Here I thought I did very well at not making personal attacks. I guess I'll have to keep practicing.
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