Canon 20D....hmmmmm.

Hi ya'll!

I'm wanting to buy another DSLR, and I have been looking at the 20D. I already own the 10D. Anyway, the reviews here are a bit low (4.27 11 reviews), and I have seen many other wedding photogs comments about the 20D locking up, even with the new downloads. Some are saying that it is not nearly as trusty as the 10D.

I want another DSLR before wedding season picks up again (Feb 2005), so what do ya'll think? Try the 20D, get another 10D, wait a while longer, or what? I don't want to spend the extra $$ on a Mark II, I'd rather spend that money on more 'L' lenses... ;)


Thanks in advance-

Kathy

Is there anything the 20D has which the 10D doesn't that you NEED? If not, I'd just get another 10D to keep things simple.

Why do you want another body? Back-up? not happy with the 10D?

I'm actually looking to get another DSLR as I am borrowing my BIL's D30 for back-up. After using his D30, I am now getting one for myself (EBAY $500). It is very reliable and the image quality is excellent. The inability to focus in low light is easily overcome by using a 550EX.

BTW, I also use a 10D for my main body.

Mike

I haven't heard any feedback from anyone about the 20D yet, but I do remember the 10D had a flurry of technical problems (and complaints) when it was first released.

Personally, I'm hesitant to get a new DSLR model (or software title) right off the "assembly line", mainly because tech companies seem to have developed a bad habit of making their intiial release a sort of BETA, which they then fix or patch based on initial consumer feedback.

BTW, I don't pay a great deal of attention to reviews, either, uness a bothersome problem turns up over and over on many different ones.

Unless money is a big issue, I'd still go with the 20D, as it seems to be much more camera for the buck...

Get the 1D Mk II, you know you WANT it!!! Make the 10D your backup :)
Just kidding. It's midnight and I'm feeling punchy. Seriously though, UNLESS the 20D is a quantum leap forward from the 10D in terms of performance (as in AF speed and AF tracking), and performance is why you need to get a new camera body, I'd save my money and buy another "L" lens, or another 10D if a second body is what you really need. Everything I've read hasn't convinced me that the 20D was that much better than the 10D, which is why I splurged and bought the 1DMkII, for the quantum leap in performance over the 10D, and it's been around long enough for the software glitches to be ironed out. Just my 2 Abe Lincolns.

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Of course, it might just be I'm feeling guilty about my 1DMKII, and trying to rationalize the expenditure of now squandered resources. :D

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

Of course, it might just be I'm feeling guilty about my 1DMKII, and trying to rationalize the expenditure of now squandered resources. :D

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Here's me trying to decide whether to jump for Canon (with a 20D now and a 1DsII later) or Nikon (with a D2X in January) and you're not helping :D
The local store has a 20D on the shelf, with a reserved tag in my name.
I'll only have the one kit lens to start out with though - I don't have that much money to indulge my wishes for IS, USM on good wide angle and long lenses.
But I do see the 20D as better for motorsport than the 10D.

A little off topic I guess; The starter kit will do you fine for a while. I ran right out and bought a 70-300 Sigma zoom, used it for a while, now it mostly just sits. Not because it's bad glass, I LOVE it. Just most shots I can and do get with the 18-55 that came on my dRebel.

If you are going to get a 10d, do it now. I have a Rebel because I couldn't FIND a 10D and didn't want to wait 30+ days to get a camera. The 1DSII was a bit out of my price range, tho it's the cat's arse, hands down. 10D/20D who cares. Practically the same camera, with a few bells and whistles. Bet you can find a 10D pretty darn cheap on EBay (etc.) about now.

$.02

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

Everything I've read hasn't convinced me that the 20D was that much better than the 10D

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I understand your point, but I suppose it all depends on your needs. And, of course, I've based my thinking on the premise that the 1D MK II is still a bit of a luxury item, and for most shooters out of reach finacially... :(

Truth is, the 20D looks to be much better in some rather important ways for a pro or seriour amateur. IMO, quantum leaps are not neccessary to want to upgrade.

The 10D is very much a "prosumer" DLSR, and in many ways a compromise for a pro shooter (compared to the top EOS film cameras). With the introduction of the 20D, yeah it's still a compromise, but bridges the gap a bit more.

Increased resolution, increased FPS continuous shooting, much quicker start-up time, better focusing, and overall better electronics and controls are just some of the features that make this new model appealing.

But yes, if these are not things that will make a noticable difference in your digital workflow, then simply getting this camera because it's the newest model makes no sense...

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Originally Posted by Asylum Steve

I understand your point, but I suppose it all depends on your needs. And, of course, I've based my thinking on the premise that the 1D MK II is still a bit of a luxury item, and for most shooters out of reach finacially... :(

Truth is, the 20D looks to be much better in some rather important ways for a pro or seriour amateur. IMO, quantum leaps are not neccessary to want to upgrade.

The 10D is very much a "prosumer" DLSR, and in many ways a compromise for a pro shooter (compared to the top EOS film cameras). With the introduction of the 20D, yeah it's still a compromise, but bridges the gap a bit more.

Increased resolution, increased FPS continuous shooting, much quicker start-up time, better focusing, and overall better electronics and controls are just some of the features that make this new model appealing.

But yes, if these are not things that will make a noticable difference in your digital workflow, then simply getting this camera because it's the newest model makes no sense...

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Good points, Steve. I was just being a spoiler last night. I realize the majority of folks, including myself wouldn't buy the 1D MkII just for the performance leap- the price doesn't justify the difference between the 1D and the 10D/20D for most folks. If not for the fact that I purchased the camera for use everyday at work, I couldn't afford to get my hands on this camera if I had to purchase this as a personal camera with after tax dollars instead of pre-tax dollars. We have two 10D's at work, which are great cameras, but the AF can be very frustrating at times. The 1D MKII has been a huge leap forward from the 10D's in terms of AF, making my work simpler and more efficient, definitely worth the extra dollars from a clinical standpoint, both for myself and the patients (they're not gagging with an intra-oral mirror in their mouths longer than needed, and I'm not holding a heavy camera longer than needed.)