USA- They are coming

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  • 06-14-2006, 05:25 PM
    sali
    USA- They are coming
    have you seen what the killing of azarkawi did to us?
    The terrorists are coming to us
    I found this subject on the following website
    http://clearinghouse.infovlad.net/showthread.php?t=3174
    and these are the links before being canceled

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  • 06-14-2006, 06:17 PM
    Ronnoco
    Re: USA- They are coming
    The interesting point for non-Americans like myself is that the reputation of the United States fell lower in a recent world study that indicated that many felt that the United States was a bigger danger to world peace than Iraq.

    The problem is that from the point of view of us, foreigners, the US reaction to 9/11 is being seen as heavy-handed, anti-democratic, and restricting freedom for both Americans at home and others abroad. The Internet is being monitored, as are all forms of telecommunications, instituted by the U.S, despite the fact that it is against the American Constitution. American civil rights are being ignored, with terrorism as the excuse. Torture and abuse are too common in the former bastion of freedom. Intimidating photographers and ignoring their rights is the latest violation of freedom in the name of protection from terrorism. How much freedom will Americans and others have to give up to less than intelligent politicians for the questionable protection from terrorism?

    Ronnoco
  • 06-14-2006, 06:39 PM
    adina
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ronnoco
    The interesting point for non-Americans like myself is that the reputation of the United States fell lower in a recent world study that indicated that many felt that the United States was a bigger danger to world peace than Iraq.


    Ronnoco


    Keep in mind that this view is held by Americans as well. The views and actions of this administration are not the views and actions of the whole of the US.

    Numerous articles and studies have been presented on both sides. However, I think that the initial reaction to 9/11 was the correct one. We didn't just start bombing people we didn't like. Time and effort was put into determining who was responsible. A video was released from bin Laden shortly after 9/11 criticizing the US for bombing Afganistans churchs and schools. This was before any action was actually taken on the part of the US.

    In my opinion, the US was justified in going to Afganistan. Unfortunately, shortly after, the focus shifted from bin Laden to Saddam Hussain, and things went down hill from there. Along with Bush's ratings and his judgement.
  • 06-15-2006, 07:26 AM
    paulnj
    Re: USA- They are coming
    I love my country, but hate it's recent policies. Soldiers are in Iraq fighting to stay alive, not for betterment of that country :wink:
  • 06-15-2006, 06:07 PM
    Peter_AUS
    Re: USA- They are coming
    it's not the Yanks you have to worry about, it is the fanatics on all sides that are the problem. It isn't the majority that go out and blowup and mame innocent civilians, woman, children, fathers, mothers, grandparents, aunties and uncles and friends. IT IS THE FANATICS that do this and they are the ones to be totally worried about.

    The released one in Indonesia yesterday and already he is pushing his so called students in a direction that can only be a bad way.

    I feel very sorry for the innocent victims of the world that suffer at the hands of THE FANATICS INVOLVED. Well some of them have gone to meet their maker, and many more will probably go as well, but don't take the INNOCENT people with them please.
  • 06-15-2006, 06:51 PM
    adina
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paulnj
    I love my country, but hate it's recent policies. Soldiers are in Iraq fighting to stay alive, not for betterment of that country :wink:

    I love my country as well, and support the soldiers, but not the cause.
  • 07-25-2006, 01:51 PM
    Marc2B4
    Re: USA- They are coming
    I've been to Iraq twice, and Afghanistan once, all three times on six month tours. Would I go again, yes. Now let me qualify that. I'd go to keep my troops safe. Would I go because I believe in what we're doing? Hell, our current adminstration has no clue as to what it's doing so what makes you think there's a coherent line of thought going on in Iraq? We just go where we're told to go when we're told to go. Now that I'm retired, I can question the sanity of our chain of command and the problem is that the civilians in positions of authority have no clue as to what they're doing or are they willing to listen to the professionals. My family thinks I'm joking when I tell them I'm within about 80 miles of the Canadian border for a reason. I believe there's a sickness, a genuine apathy or disconnect on the part of the governing body of American in DC and the majority of Americans outside of the DC beltway. We need to vote all of them, every last one of the professional politicians out of office and get rid of the special interest, politically correct wafflers that infest society. Patton had it right; "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way". Extreme yes, but look at what finding the "middle ground" has gotten us. I've never seen my country so divided.
  • 07-25-2006, 02:09 PM
    walterick
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Thanks for that unput Marc. I'm always interested in hearing points of view from the troups.

    And thank you for serving!
  • 07-25-2006, 04:59 PM
    Photo-John
    Great post
    Marc-
    Thanks for posting. I always like hearing from the soldiers. The opinion of someone who has served in the military always has a little more weight than the average person - especially the politicians who haven't served - and wouldn't serve.

    It sure would be nice if we didn't have a government of professional politicians, wouldn't it? I don't know what the solution is. I vote, but don't feel like our two main parties represent my opinions or interests. I'm a registered Libertarian, for whatever that's worth. If the Republicans would stop trying to legislate morality, and be a little more compassionate, I might be interested. And if the Democrats could organize and stand for something, I might be interested. I really think they're two flavors of the same substance. But I don't expect either party to change anytime soon. In the meantime, I guess it's our responsibilty to speak our minds and vote. Maybe the the people in charge will start to wake up.
  • 07-25-2006, 09:41 PM
    walterick
    Re: Great post
    The Democrats are so close to what I would call my ideal party. Like you say John, grow a backbone and find a leader and I think they have it pegged. They have botched the biggest softball in history by not nailing GW's balls to the wall every chance they've had. What better opportunity than to organize against something so vehemently wrong?

    If the Dems don't pull their heads out of their arses soon, they're going to find themselves superceded by a more organized party.

    I'll be passing petitions shortly :D
  • 07-26-2006, 11:41 AM
    Marc2B4
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Totally agree concerning the Dems. Waffling just doesn't cut it any longer. Where's a Harry Truman when the country needs one?:thumbsup:
  • 07-26-2006, 12:23 PM
    walterick
    Re: USA- They are coming
    What gets me is there is only one guy on the horizon who I can see leading the Democratic party in the future, and that's Obama. Look at the other top Dems:

    Al Gore: done, but still a strong voice
    Clinton: enjoying is highest approval ratings ever :D
    Hilary: not strong enough yet, and I think people would vote against her just because she's Hilary
    Kerry: done
    Edwards: probably done, at least until he gets a few more years under his belt
    Dean: done, now the laughing stock though he heads the DNC

    Who else? God, bring us a leader!

    <A href="http://www.cafepress.com/oprahobama08">Oprah & Obama in '08!" :D</a>
  • 07-26-2006, 08:51 PM
    another view
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Oprah? Oprah? Say it ain't so! Obama maybe - he's definitely looking like someone we'll see more of in the future. He won with something ridiculous like 85% of the vote, but was running against Al Sharpton (CT resident I think...). Sharpton is... not my ideal choice...

    I guess I side more with the Republicans as of late just because I can't stand people in control who won't make a decision. I live in a very strongly "blue" state and saw tons of Kerry signs, stickers and buttons a couple of years ago. Getting into conversations with Kerry supporters (honest conversations, not trying to start arguements), I noticed that the so-called supporters were really just anti-Bush. "Why are you voting for Kerry?" "Because he's not Bush" was fairly common. I still don't know what he planned to do with the country because all he talked about was that he wasn't Bush. OK, end rant. Interesting how many two-term presidencies we've had lately too, Reagan twice with GHW Bush as VP, then GHW Bush for one term (12 years combined...), then Clinton twice, GW Bush twice...

    Also interesting how the Dems are perceived as "tax and spend" but the deficit tends to go down with them in office. Today we're spending what should be the next generation or two (or three) in our federal budgets.

    Yeah, I was very disappointed to find out that Ralph Nader wouldn't make it on the Illinois ballot in 2004. I really would have voted for him although I've never believed that was a good idea before... sigh...
  • 07-27-2006, 06:19 AM
    Marc2B4
    Re: USA- They are coming
    I like Al Gore; he won the election in 00; we can thank the Supreme Court, hanging chads, and his brother for the mess we're in now. :mad2:
  • 07-27-2006, 06:25 AM
    Marc2B4
    Re: USA- They are coming
    What really angered me about the 04 elections was that Kerry wouldn't fire back after the Rove inspired Boat ads. I know, the Silver Star isn't just handed out; The Secretary of the Navy is the approving official for that award. I don't think politics can influence military decorations during wartime. Lower type awards yes, but combat awards??? No, the Swift boat ads were nothing more than a Rove inspired smear campaign. That's funny too because that little sleaze never wore the uniform... Lets draft Sam Nunn back into the picture! :thumbsup:
  • 07-27-2006, 07:14 AM
    walterick
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Hey Steve, Oprah was a joke :D Just thought that was a funny bumper sticker.

    I agree about Kerry. He was the "anti-Bush" and nothing more. But his integrity seemed tops. During the '04 election I watched biographies on both candidates. They were aired on Bravo/A&E, one of those. Kerry's biography was inspiring. Earned a medal for driving his boat in Vietnam back into the line of fire to rescue his mates. Went to Capitol Hill and gave a very clear, articulate testimony on the abuses in Vietnam. Made him look like a stellar being and someone I'd like to have as my president.

    Then they aired Bush's biography. It went something like this: Bush, born to GB1, Director of the CIA. Went to college, got C's. After college, disappeared for a while, during a time his friends refered to as his "party years" (direct quote.) Got his first real job as CEO of an oil company. Went out of business. Got his second "job" with the Rangers, made a killing. Ran for Governor. Ran for president. It didn't leave me with a real warm feeling about the guy.

    The problem with Kerry was he had no platform to stand on. There is no doubt in my mind that he is a better person. His handling of the debates proved that. But until you can fire the people up and organize them behind something, you're not going to win.

    I love Nader for many reasons.

    Americans voted more for Gore than they did for Bush in '00.

    Steve is right about the deficit and spending. Reps don't tax and spend, they cut taxes and spend.

    Hurry up Obama! <img src="http://forums.photographyreview.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29507&stc=1&d=11526759 29">
  • 08-03-2006, 12:48 PM
    Tom_Proctor
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Lets lay a Jihad on them.
  • 08-03-2006, 03:02 PM
    paulnj
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Too late GWB already started bringing the holy war to them years ago.....
  • 08-03-2006, 07:51 PM
    RP Racing
    Re: USA- They are coming
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by paulnj
    Too late GWB already started bringing the holy war to them years ago.....


    Uh the Holy war against the US started in 1979 under a democratic president. GW iddnt start this war. The Iraq thing has been going on since the original Gulf War. It never ended officially. It was under a cease fire much like between North and South Korea. Where were all the anti-war people when Clinton dropped bombs on Iraq on numberous occasions?

    Walter, the dnc wont ever get their act together. Too many of them fight amongst themselves and the fruits like Diane Feinstein worry too much about what kind of firearms that I own (which includes a few "evil black rifles and a dreaded .50 cal "sniper" rifle) and the rest giving handouts left and right. Democrats of today are nothing like the Democrats of the 40's and 50's (from reading history books). Republicans are not much better. They all (both Dems and Reps) are more worried about their little special interests and not concerned one bit about actually doing somethign to actually get stuff done.
  • 08-03-2006, 08:34 PM
    paulnj
    Re: USA- They are coming
    I'd rather not debate, but.......

    The gulf war was over Iraq invading kuwait and we are in there now for what reason again??

    The Kurds or crimes against his people? AHHHH , the kurds were gased before the gulf war.

    WMD? It is common knowledge that that was BULL **** from the start.

    Let's be realistic here, we are there to bring a western friendly group to power, so in 20 years we can start sucking up that oil too. I love my country and the military that defends it, but our present government is wrong in it's actions IMHO.

    Since we are on the gun issue.... Barrett 82CQ w/ 3 10rd clips, 2-700 heavy barrel(223/308), glock 21/23/17/36(can you tell I like combat tuperware), sig 240, magnum research DE mark VII 50AE (black talons), keltec P3AT(cheap toy), MP5 W/ 2- drums and 7 assorted clips and the list goes on. I can get an A2 w/M209 any time I want :D