• 01-03-2006, 09:05 AM
    walterick
    Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Come on, we've talked about every other major theatrical event up here. I'm amazed we haven't broached this one. Though it may be uncomfortable for some (I've heard a few people, er, MEN say say thay would never see this movie) I think it's a prime candidate for an OT discussion.

    My take:
    A+ film. The best I've seen in a while. The acting is superb, the pace and tone are appropriate without putting you to sleep (and I hate slow movies.) Cinemetography is great, though I imagine it's not too hard to make a beautiful film while shooting in the mountains of Wyoming. The subject was not too hard to digest. It is not a film about gay sex, or about sex at all really. It's a love story, and a very good one at that. It's mildly funny at times and obnoxiously upsetting at others.

    The award goes to Heath Ledger, who in a very humble, quiet way, manages to carry the entire movie without ever attracting any attention to himself and not let you know he's done it until the final few minutes. Superb acting on his part. Jake Gillenholm (sp?) also does a superb job, though more complimentary imo. Look for other great performances especially from Michelle Williams (Dawson's Creek) and Anne Hathaway (Disney films) as the wives of the star-crossed men. I must admit, my eyes were wet the last 15 minutes -don't tell anyone that though.

    Looking forward to other responses/heated debate on homosexuality.

    Rick
  • 01-03-2006, 09:08 AM
    payn817
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Haven't seen it, but heard some controversy over it.

    I like that you say it isn't about sex at all, but is about love. Sex is not necessarily about love and love about sex. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they can't have sex with a woman, or don't want sex with a woman. It simply means they can only LOVE someone of the same sex.

    If this thread were to contain heated debate, wouldn't that be in violation of the rules though? Not to mention that someone may actually be offended, etc.. I don't think anyone here openly discusses it, but I would bet all I have that some from the gay community frequent here.
  • 01-03-2006, 09:45 AM
    mjs1973
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Interesting that you mention this movie. I haddn't heard anything about it until this weekend. I was reading a magazine or doing something else, while the TV was on, and an add for the movie came on. I didn't catch much of it, just enough to figure out it was a cowboy movie, and that I thought it looked OK. I was surprised to hear that it was already in theaters because that was the first time I had ever even heard of it.

    Later that day I was on the net and came across the movie in a "Best of 2005 movies" list. There, I was able to read a short summery of the movie, and I must say, it was NOTHING like I had pictured from the preview I had half watched earlier. Not that their's anything wrong with that. :)

    I don't go to many movies, so I dought I will see this one in a theater, but perhaps when it comes out on DVD.
  • 01-03-2006, 10:07 AM
    swmdrayfan
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    I think if a movie is well written, acted, and directed, it should not matter what the subject is. There are probably a lot of people who are uncomfortable with the subject and won't go see it. Will I? I don't know--but it won't be because I'm homophobic--which I'm not. I venture to say it could not be any worse than 70% of the 'action/adventure' drek that's out there. That said, you are going to get your percentage of people who'll write letters to the editor of their local paper, protesting the showing of the movie--the same people who'll allow their children to watch every 'slice and dice' movie that comes out.
  • 01-03-2006, 10:16 AM
    adina
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by payn817
    If this thread were to contain heated debate, wouldn't that be in violation of the rules though? Not to mention that someone may actually be offended, etc.. I don't think anyone here openly discusses it, but I would bet all I have that some from the gay community frequent here.


    I believe the off topic forum was created for these purposes. Not to offend people on purpose, but to keep discussions that may get heated (religious and political ones tend to quickly) from dominating the first page of the viewfinder section.
  • 01-03-2006, 10:29 AM
    adina
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Haven't seen this one yet.

    I haven't heard much until recently. I had heard it was the gay cowboy movie, but just this past week or so, started hearing the awards buzz.

    We'll probably see it on video, we don't get to the movies enough to see every one we'd like to see in the theater.
  • 01-03-2006, 12:14 PM
    srobb
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by payn817
    I don't think anyone here openly discusses it, but I would bet all I have that some from the gay community frequent here.


    And you would be very correct, payn. I had kind of hinted at that in the thread on when we got started in photography. No one mentioned it, or seemed to pick up on it, so I never thought about it again. I don't believe in making it an issue because I know it may make others uncomfortable.

    We are very interested in seeing it, but may wait for it to come out on DVD. If we went to the theatre, I would be the only one to see all of it. John would wind up going to sleep.

    If I have caused any umcomfort with this post, I apologize. It's just time for me to "come out of the closet" where PR is concerned. ;) :D
  • 01-03-2006, 12:46 PM
    another view
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by adina
    I believe the off topic forum was created for these purposes. Not to offend people on purpose, but to keep discussions that may get heated (religious and political ones tend to quickly) from dominating the first page of the viewfinder section.

    Yup. Haven't seen the movie but I'll probably check it out on PPV or HBO.
  • 01-03-2006, 01:23 PM
    payn817
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Actually srobb, I did notice. My original response to that was something like:

    Old drag queen? Anyone I would know? I use to do shows in Central Florida years ago.

    Yeah, "coming out" here has had me wondering for awhile too, that is why I removed that response. I guess the fear was of being shunned, and possible damage to my rep regarding some clients, etc. I have never been ashamed, just don't feel I need to push it in everyone's face either.

    As for being shunned or possible loss of business (what little i get :D ), I recently started thinking that if I loose some, there will be others, and I don't want to work for anyone like that anyway. The main client I am even slightly concerned about is a christian school that I do some yearbook stuff for. The bands probably wouldn't care, and I am out to the two interior decorators that buy some stuff, and they don't care, as long as I can produce.

    Check this post out, srobb. It has a piece I did for a local pride group. It is titled Pride = Power.http://forums.photographyreview.com/...ad.php?t=13140
  • 01-04-2006, 06:47 AM
    srobb
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Actually, payn, I don't remember seeing that response. You may have removed it before I was able to see it.

    Just so we don't clog this up and all, check your pm's. It's nice to know I am not by myself here.
  • 01-04-2006, 06:52 AM
    Michael Fanelli
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    I have not seen the movie and probably won't. Not because of the topic, I'm just not a big fan of cowboy movies, gay or otherwise. OK, maybe old Clint Eastwood pics with lots of violence...!

    I don't think that we will see a lot of heated debate here. Although we all disagree, sometimes quite a bit, the members of these forums are intelligent and highly unlikely to be hateful. In the general population, the crys of horror are from the small but very vocal minority that hardly represents, I hope, the general public.
  • 01-04-2006, 08:47 AM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Actually, Michael it was the Commander in Chief of the United States of America whose cry of horror came in the form of a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States that would have made homosexual marriages illegal. That's quite a yell for a "small, vocal, minority." He represents many of the scared christian conservatives who are terrified of having their ways of life challenged. If the bible tells them it is wrong, they will believe it. Funny, while we're busy trying to outlaw it, other countries are making it legal... hmm.

    Payn and srobb, I missed any prior posts so let me congratulate both of you on "coming out of the closet" on pr so to speak, lol. I'm sure you guys will find lots of acceptance here we're a pretty accepting bunch, as I'm sure you both know.
  • 01-04-2006, 10:26 AM
    Michael Fanelli
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by walterick
    Actually, Michael it was the Commander in Chief of the United States of America whose cry of horror came in the form of a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States that would have made homosexual marriages illegal. That's quite a yell for a "small, vocal, minority." He represents many of the scared christian conservatives who are terrified of having their ways of life challenged. If the bible tells them it is wrong, they will believe it. Funny, while we're busy trying to outlaw it, other countries are making it legal... hmm.

    Bush is a member of that small minority. Remember his buddy Ashcroft who was turned on by topless stone statues and had them covered? I doubt there are many who would do that. Its a group, hopefuly small, of simple-minded people.

    IMHO (oh no, not again!) marriage of any kind should not be a matter of government anyway. Simple existing contract law solves all legal issues. Let all marriages be the domain of private groups who can hand it out using whatever criteria they want.
  • 01-04-2006, 02:46 PM
    adina
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Michael Fanelli
    Bush is a member of that small minority. .

    Bush is a minority all on his own. C average students who get chosen to run countries.
  • 01-04-2006, 07:12 PM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    The fact of the matter is, the only reason one could be anti-homosexual is if their religion or society taught them to be. Anti-homosexuality is not a natural occurance. It is taught. So the very notion of a federal ban on gay marriage comes from the bowels of scripture. There are certainly legal components to marriage, but its roots are in religion. If the government were going to be fair, it would be broadening the institution of marriage to include ALL people. As the rest of the world seems to be doing. I am embarrassed that the United States of America is not leading the charge to universalize gay marriage in the world. When in fact, we are going backward.

    Michael, I do disagree with you that Bush is a member of a small minority. With the current partisan split in America, the conservatives have become entrenched in their self-righteous religious ways. There are many, many Americans who believed in him up until hurricane Katrina hit. There are many, many Americans who religiously believe that homosexuality is wrong. Even as their priests are raping little boys. They hold to the twisted stories of their bible to justify their opinions and tell the rest of the world their beliefs are fact. I don't buy it, not for a minute.
  • 01-04-2006, 07:19 PM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Whose fourth job as an adult happens to be President of the United States...

    Job #1: Co-owner of the Texas Rangers.
    Job #2: CEO of an unsuccessful oil company.
    Job #3: Governor of Texas.
    Job #4: President?

    "Who get chosen to run countries" is the important phrase here. We all would do well to remember that We The People voted for Al Gore in 2000, and George Bush was chosen to run America. Go figure.
  • 01-05-2006, 06:10 AM
    mjs1973
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Here's something I found interesting. If you read my first post in this tread, I mentioned seeing the movie trailer and not knowing what the movie was about, because I was doing something else at the same time, and not really paying attention to it. Last night, that same trailer came on the tube, and I put my magazine down, and focused my attention on the trailer. When it was over, I realized that I hadn't missed the plot or story line the first time I saw it. There is NOTHING in the trailer that even hints at the main subject of the movie. Why not? The images were beautuful but all the voice over was talking about was that it was "movie of the year", "nominated for awards", "great performance by..." that kind of thing, with all these stunning images playing in the background. The add did it's job and peaked my interest in seeing the film, but after reading about it, and having a gerneral idea of the story line, it made me wonder why there wasn't a hint about it in the ad.
  • 01-05-2006, 06:43 AM
    Michael Fanelli
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mjs1973
    Here's something I found interesting. ...The add did it's job and peaked my interest in seeing the film, but after reading about it, and having a gerneral idea of the story line, it made me wonder why there wasn't a hint about it in the ad.

    Do you expect hints of heterosexual themes for other movies? Ads are designed to grab your interest, obviously that worked. For some bad films, the trailers are the best parts!
  • 01-05-2006, 07:24 AM
    adina
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Imagine the voiceover....


    Nominated for 7 Golden Globes...including Best Actor...Best Picture of the Year....Best Gay Cowboy Movie of the Year...Best Director...

    I think if you read any reviews or blurbs, it mentions that it is a love story between two cowboys, or something of that nature.
  • 01-05-2006, 08:04 AM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Heheh very funny Adina :)

    MJS, I noticed the same thing recently. They are running new adds without the hint of homosexuality in it. When we saw the trailer for the first time in a theater, it was a little more obvious what the theme was. We saw it the week after it was released and the theater was still pretty crowded. Maybe they're trying for one last push at the box office with a more mass-appealing advertisement?
  • 01-05-2006, 12:55 PM
    Mig
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    MJS - Here's the original trailer Rick is talking about. As Rick said, it was probably a push to appeal to a broader audience, but also sometimes the "this movie rocks and we've got all this proof" ads are more generic anyway.

    Adina - you're too damn funny.

    Danielle
  • 01-05-2006, 04:23 PM
    Photo-John
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by walterick
    If the bible tells them it is wrong, they will believe it.

    That's not quite accurate. The Bible doesn't really tell us that much. And it's been changed who knows how many times over thousands of years. It's the way certain people interpret the Bible that causes the world so much trouble. There is so much non-Christian behaviour done using the Bible for justification. As much as the current conservative leadership in this country would have us believe that they're following "Christian" teachings, they're really more Old Testament followers.
  • 01-05-2006, 04:43 PM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    John,

    You're right. It is in large part the people who interpret the bible that create such a mess. The bible does have its fallacies though. Man was born first, then woman came from man. Woman is responsible for the downfall of humankind. We are born in "sin." All that metaphorical (and misinterpreted) rhetoric which people take as, well, <i>gospel.</i> But whether people are following the bible or the men (sic) that interpret it, the phenomenon here remains the same; people are simply following "orders" and not thinking for themselves. <i>That's</i> what gets me the worst. Don't be afriad to <i>think</i> people!

    We're seeing it again in the blind faith that people place in the president! Only now are people begining to see the man for what he really is. After the patriotism and fear wear off.
  • 01-08-2006, 02:28 PM
    mjs1973
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    A megaplex in Utah pulled the film form it's theaters. Here's a link to the news article.
  • 01-08-2006, 03:43 PM
    payn817
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    That is really too bad. However, he does own the theater, and as far as I am concerned, it is his right. Does it hurt me, or anyone else? Well, I guess it depends on the person. Me, no. The teenager who is going through tough times because he is scared, yes.

    That is the funny thing about these type of actions. People commit such acts in order to show their opinion, or to "keep america moral". In reality, they are making it worse for the future of America, especially confused and scared teens. I myself was very scared as a teen, scared of loosing friends, and being shunned by my family. If you read back in this post, you will find I still fear being shunned in certain areas of my life. Making all this worse are events like the Matthew Shepard story, and the like. Many studies have shown high suicide rates among teens confused about their sexuality. Why? Because they are so scared of the hate they believe it isn't worth the suffering.


    However, all that being said. It is a "free" country, and he does own the venue. It is his right not to show the film, no matter what anyone thinks, and I respect his rights, and his decision to exercise them.
  • 01-09-2006, 03:28 PM
    opus
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    I saw the trailer in the movie theatre and realized right away that it was about gay cowboys. My husband immediately turned to me with disgust and said he would not want to see that movie. Which is a shame, because my 15-yo son just came out of the closet about two months ago. My husband does not know. Life is rough for my son and I right now. My son had to change schools because all his friends in this small town turned against him. He's living with his father right now and going to a bigger, more tolerant school that has clubs and support groups for him.

    But guess what I did yesterday? I am in London right now and I stopped by an Anglican church for Sunday services just on a whim. Afterwards the priest announced "the happy occasion of the marriage of Ron and Barry. Everyone is invited to celebrate their civil union with wine and treats at the back of the church immediately following services." So I had a glass of wine to celebrate the happy union of Ron and Barry. A very sweet-looking 60-something-year-old couple.

    It was actually very neat and I'm glad I could have, however accidentally, had a part in their celebration.

    As far as the movie, I'll probably see it with my son if he hasn't seen it already.
  • 01-09-2006, 05:26 PM
    payn817
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Kellybean, I applaud your support of your son. It is a really tough time at that age. Even if he has seen the movie, the gesture would surely mean a great deal to him. The most powerfeul thing my parents ever did was give me a bday card with some guys in swimsuits on it. It was a simple thing, but the message of acceptance was far more valuable than anything that could ever be purchased.

    As for his father, it may take some time, but hopefully he'll come around. If you need to get something off your chest, or there is anyway I could be of any help/support drop me a message.
  • 01-23-2006, 02:43 PM
    shutterman
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by walterick
    Actually, Michael it was the Commander in Chief of the United States of America whose cry of horror came in the form of a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States that would have made homosexual marriages illegal. That's quite a yell for a "small, vocal, minority." He represents many of the scared christian conservatives who are terrified of having their ways of life challenged. If the bible tells them it is wrong, they will believe it. Funny, while we're busy trying to outlaw it, other countries are making it legal... hmm.

    Payn and srobb, I missed any prior posts so let me congratulate both of you on "coming out of the closet" on pr so to speak, lol. I'm sure you guys will find lots of acceptance here we're a pretty accepting bunch, as I'm sure you both know.

    In a CBS News poll conducted immediately after President Bush endorsed a constitutional ban on gay marriage, 59% of Americans said they would favor an amendment to the Constitution that would "allow marriage only between a man and a woman," up slightly from 55% last December.

    In a separate question that asked if they would support a constitutional amendment that would "allow marriage only between a man and a women and outlaw marriages between people of the same sex," support declines, but 51% would still support such an amendment.
  • 01-31-2006, 08:06 AM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    8 Oscar nods including: Best Picture, Best Director, Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Supporting Actress, and Best Adapted Screenplay.
  • 01-31-2006, 03:23 PM
    dbutler
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    I just want to say as a CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (::Ducking tomatoes furiously::) that there are some of us who may hold a view but don't love our gay friends any less. My gay friends know my religious views and recognize that these are MY beliefs, affecting MY life. If I think it's a sin then I simply don't do it. I can't judge someone else for them.

    That said, I have democrat friends who will say one thing in public, but behind closed doors won't let their children play with the gay man's kid because they might "catch something over there".

    Honestly, I think it's not so much a religious war (and keep in mind that Island, Judaism and the majority of world religions don't exactly embrace homosexuality either) but an entitlement issue. As Americans, one of the first things we utter is "It's my right...". So, when we have an opinion we have a RIGHT to express it. And when we decide we want to contradict someone, we have a RIGHT to let him know what a jackass we think he is. It's quite fun actually.

    How many Republicans don't read something that the democrats have done and immediately speak out against it without looking for more facts? How many democrats do the same thing? How many Christians don't judge Jews? But how many Jews don't judge Christians? When I mentioned that I was a conservative and a christian, how many of you would have envisioned me as a blond, blue eyed well-heeled woman instead of the Puerto Rican female who grew up in the inner city wars of Paterson New Jersey, the daughter of democrats? A girl who was a student at East Side High School (If you've seen the moving "Lean on Me" about the principal Joe Clark, you know a bit about what my academic life was like because that movie was based on my high school, well, until Sophomore year, when I was finally transferred before I got killed!)

    We're all prejudiced when it comes to forming opinions and views. Look how many of you threw tomatoes when you read the first line in this post! :)
  • 02-01-2006, 09:12 AM
    payn817
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    I didn't throw tomatoes :D . I understand you, at work, we have a lounge, and it is where we spend our lunch and 15 minute breaks. The same people generally sit at the same table. One is an admitted "redneck", another is a former minister, that is currently seeking employment in that field, the others are basic zombies, and have no opinion of anything, or perhaps are just scared to express it.

    Do we talk about what I do (or for that matter what they do) behind closed doors. Nope, actually we discuss current politics, various art forms, and often share in each other's grief during times of distress. If we ever do get on the topic of relationships, it is about conduct, for example most of us think overly affectionate behavior in public is disgraceful. But, there is nothing specific there. The thing that stands out is that with our different beliefs, and backgrounds, we can agree (although sometimes disagree) on varied subjects, without taking into account those differences, and it becoming a debate based on such.

    You are right D, I don't see Monet different because I am gay, and the minister because he is a minister. We see it different because we are individuals with our own opinions, and it doesn't make either of us right when we disagree on the great masters of times long passed. Our political stances aren't based on polls, and W's views of marriage or anyone's lifestyle, but instead on the results he has.

    I wanted to go see this movie really bad, but I watched the trailer today, and seriously don't think I can go see it. From what I saw, this is a situation many gay men have experienced in their lives, and although it is better to have loved... it is a very painful reminder of times gone by. The trailer alone bought tears to my eyes, and has bought him back to my mind, even six years later it still is painful.
  • 02-01-2006, 11:00 AM
    srobb
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    First of all, to kelly, many kudos to you, girlfriend. You have no idea how many parents would not be as cool as you are with your son. As payn said, anytime you all need to talk, or a shoulder to cry on, we are both here. I know what it was like for me growing up and the fact that I was absolutely terrified to talk to my parents about my being gay. I cannot tell you the times I thought about suicide. He is one lucky young man to have a mom like you.

    D, you are a rarity as a Conservative Christian, then. I just wish they all could be like you instead of so judging and condemning. I could live with the difference of opinions. That is what we are all about anyway. This is not something that we push at our places of work. Most of the people we work with know anyway. I just realize that me being the big old bear, butch looking thing I am really throws most macho guys in a tizzy. ;) :D :D Especially after they realize I can do a lot of the manly things they do just as well as they do.

    Don't know yet if we plan on seeing the movie yet. I would like to, but John has the habit of falling alseep at the theatre no matter what is showing.
  • 02-01-2006, 11:10 AM
    payn817
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by srobb
    I just realize that me being the big old bear, butch looking thing I am really throws most macho guys in a tizzy. ;) :D :D Especially after they realize I can do a lot of the manly things they do just as well as they do.


    LOL.. Thing?? That is funny. I can bench press a lil over 300 pounds, covered in tattoos, and have a shaved head, so I know what you mean. They don't believe it. Then again, I don't tell anyone (as you mentioned) at work. I came out to one girl, and she deemed it her responsibility to let everyone know...lol
  • 02-01-2006, 11:26 AM
    srobb
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by payn817
    LOL.. Thing?? That is funny. I can bench press a lil over 300 pounds, covered in tattoos, and have a shaved head, so I know what you mean. They don't believe it. Then again, I don't tell anyone (as you mentioned) at work. I came out to one girl, and she deemed it her responsibility to let everyone know...lol

    You should know better than to tell a woman anything. ;) ;) :D
  • 02-01-2006, 01:59 PM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Holy sh*t you guys could kick sh*t outta this skinny straight guy. I weight 168 after the holidays but look about 140, softspoken, cleancut, and often mistaken for gay ;) I couldn't bench 150 right now. Funny, the play of people's stereotypes and reality ;)
  • 02-20-2006, 03:58 PM
    adina
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Saw this one this weekend as well.

    The movie was very well done. Excellent acting, beautiful scenery, flowed nicely, very believably done. You know sometimes you see a movie, and it just seems really fake? This did not.

    That said, I didn't really care for it.

    I think that for this movie to work for me, it would have to have the same impact if they had replaced two cowboys with a cowboy and a cowgirl. And had this been a straight cowboy movie, I don't think it would be the same story.

    Let me reiterate, I have no problem with this being the gay cowboy movie. I didn't like it because I don't think the movie would stand on it's own if it wasn't the gay cowboy movie.
  • 03-08-2006, 08:43 PM
    Ronnoco
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    In Canada, where gay marriage is legal, such movies are not an issue. It is not necessarily that there is support for the gay lifestyle but simply a recognition of equal rights in fact rather than just in rhetoric. Many Canadians just tend to be neutral on the issue. As a matter of fact, the new and not well-respected Conservative Prime Minister will get defeated if he tries to revisit the gay marriage decision.

    All things considered however, despite the fact that it may be an excellent movie, I would not find it entertaining, and that is really my only reason for not going to see the movie.

    Ronnoco
  • 03-09-2006, 05:51 AM
    mwfanelli
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Let me reiterate, I have no problem with this being the gay cowboy movie. I didn't like it because I don't think the movie would stand on it's own if it wasn't the gay cowboy movie.
    But it IS a gay cowboy movie! That's like saying that "Hachet Killer 5" could not stand on its own if the violence were removed!

    I have not seen the movie because I just don't like "romantic" stuff regardless of the gender(s) involved. Of course, seeing Clint Eastwood kissing Gene Hackman in "Unforgiven" would have been disturbing!
  • 03-09-2006, 04:46 PM
    adina
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mwfanelli
    But it IS a gay cowboy movie! That's like saying that "Hachet Killer 5" could not stand on its own if the violence were removed!

    !

    I was just talking about this with my mom. I think I've got a better explaination...

    I think the reason this movie did so well is because of the controversial subject. I think part of the reason for all the hype was that the director was taken a chance with a hot button issue.

    The movie itself, to me, was nothing extraordinary. I think that part of the hype was the non-mainstreamness of it. Although I still think that it was well acted, beautiful scenery, blah blah blah...

    Also, Hachet Killer 5 was one of my favorites from last year! :D
  • 03-10-2006, 07:47 AM
    walterick
    Re: Brokeback Mountain: the Gay Cowboy movie
    Adina,

    I think I see your point. I just wholey disagree :)

    Yes, first of all it was a very "pretty" movie. The scenery was nice, etc.

    However, I disagree that it would have worked with a cowboy and cowgirl. This love story was about pain. Having to hide your relationship with the one you love and go live a life entirely different from the one you want. The only other way I can see this film working with other characters is if they were cross-racial or cross-ethnic in a way that caused them to hide their relationship from the world. That to me was the real crux of the movie. Two lovers that felt so much for each other but were not able to "have" one another out in the open in the way they may have liked. For me, anyway!

    Sorry if I sounded mean :D I always appreciate and respect your opinion! :D

    Rick